The Red Sox may go all the way this year...

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  1. idea_hamster macrumors 65816

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    OK -- it can't really be that a New Yorker by birth and a Yankees fan is really worried about the Red Sox denying us the AL pennant, right?

    Well, in fact, I've been wondering if what has been long called the "Curse of the Bambino" wasn't really something subtly different: maybe it was actually the curse of Ted Williams.

    Ted Williams -- clearly the best hitter the game has ever known, verteran of two wars...and, maybe, I submit, cursed.

    Williams was born in August of 1918. The Red Sox never won a World Series in a season that started during Ted Williams' lifetime.

    Ted Williams died in July of last year and all fans of baseball mourned his passing.

    But baseball is a game for the superstitious -- and I wonder whether this will be the year that the Red Sox go all the way....

    (If I were Torre, I'd have my resume in order.)
     
  2. wdlove macrumors P6

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    It will really suprise me if the Red Sox even get to play in the World Series. Stranger things have happend. But I would be totally shocked. I still see that the main interest of the Red Sox owners is on the bottom line, which is money. Winning is only a seconday interest!
     
  3. Macmaniac macrumors 68040

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    Well as long as the Yankees don't win I will be happy!
    Go Phillies!
     
  4. Ambrose Chapel macrumors 65816

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    I live in the Boston area now after being a lifelong New Yorker and I admit, I kind of want to see the Sox win. I want to see what happens to this city when that happens. I bet it'd be fun :D
     
  5. King Cobra macrumors 603

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    I think only a small percentage of readers will be able to relate to what I am about to say:

    Being a hardcore Yankees fan from New Jersey one of the biggest rivalries we had were the Yankees vs. Mets. Nearly everyone at my H.S., Pascack Hills, participated in one side, and constant comical relief from classwork was supplied by the NY-NY clash.

    Up here, there is an even more intense rivalry of Red Sox vs. Yankees battles. Even though I have visited the state of Maine for years and became slowly aware of the conscious of these back and forth battles I still can't imagine the intensity of the rivalries, yet I can describe it.

    Even the bars within restaurants have "Yankees suck" stickers posted beside the black and white 50's softcore porn photos so attention is directed towards the bright white and blue sticker. I'm afraid to mention to anyone except "old friends" that I am a Yankees fan, because I fear the public consequence of that mention up here in Maine.

    I know I'll still be a Yankees fan for a long time to come. I just keep my mouth shut within the public locals up here for as long as I can. But if I have to tell someone, I'll be proud to tell them and stand up for it.


    This regular season began perfect for about 1/2 a game, before Jeter suffered a separated shoulder, resulting in 10 minutes of the loudest pitch-lunged screaming the viewers and listeners will never forget.

    This year, I feel the Red Sox have competition with someone other than the Yankees, mostly because of the still unsettled mindset of the Yankees team player, Derek Jeter.
     
  6. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    I hate baseball. To me, baseball is the worst sport in the world, and the most boring. Yes, even more boring than ping pong, or the annual spelling bee championship. Soccer is a fast sport in comparison, and the 20 second break between pitches can only described as "yawn inspiring". I curse all of baseball, not just the Yankees.

    PS: Goooooooo BLUE JAY!!!!
     
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  8. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    M E T S

    :looks at record:

    AHHH, OMFG!

    ;)

    Seriously I'm a mets fan but it seems like whenever a person becomes a met, they start to SUCK and once they are traded away they do better again (arrg)

    Well there is always next season...

    BTW, I don't think the red sox are gonna do it.
     
  9. wdlove macrumors P6

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    The Red Sox does the same thing with ther players, namely Roger Clemmens.

    The Red Sox favorite refrain has been for the life of this team is, "Well there is always next year."
     
  10. Ambrose Chapel macrumors 65816

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    What I don't get out Boston fans is this: it seems more important to hate the Yankees than to love the Sox. I was waiting for the train one day, and these 2 high school aged kids were on the platform near me, just saying "Yankeeeees....SUCK" over and and over. The Yankees weren't in town. It was like they were in a cult and that was their mantra. They sell Yankees Suck stuff all over Fenway regardless of who's playing.

    Coming from New York, people only got fired up about hating the Sox when they came to play. It wasn't part of the lifestyle. ;)

    Guess this illustrates my non New England-native status...
     
  11. idea_hamster thread starter macrumors 65816

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    It's a function of envy -- and the Curse of Ted Williams. Ted Williams was the cursed one.

    Now the Red Sox are free.

    I'm afraid for the Yankees -- and what Steinbrenner will do if they don't win this year. Poor Joe Torre; poor Brain Cashman -- they'll be the unintended victims of fate if the Red Sox go on the win it all this year.
     
  12. Juventuz macrumors 6502a

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    I've noticed that about Bostonians as well. I was watching a Celtics v Lakers game (and I hate basketball) and the Celtics fans were chanting Yankees Suck. What the hell is that all about??

    I was in Boston this past weekend and saw the funnies thing at an Italian fest on Hanover. There was this stand selling Yankees Suck t-shirts and a ton of other Red Sux items, but he was also selling Yankees hats and a Yankees t-shirt.

    Oh and btw, the Red Sux will choke, like they always do.
     
  13. idea_hamster thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I don't know -- they didn't do so bad in the last season that Ted Williams wasn't alive....
     
  14. wdlove macrumors P6

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    I think that it's this constant hate that is the undoing of the Red Sox. If they spent half as much time on building the Red Sox they might have a chance. I dislike all sports, it's a childs game and should remain such. Up to the college it's done for the love of the game. It's the old saying that the love of money will be your downfall. In the end greed never prospers!
     
  15. Foxer macrumors 65816

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    I lived in Boston (within sight of the Citgo sign) for a summer a few years back. I like the Sox, hate the Yankees and the Giants are the most important (aside from my wife) thing in my life. However, the Red Sox are some sort of Greek tragedy. If '86 didn't convince you that the cosmos won't allow a Red Sox series, nothing will.
     
  16. jxyama macrumors 68040

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    well, it's like any other rivalries.

    alabama can go 1-9 in a football season but if that one win is against auburn, people will be quite happy. osu vs. michigan. cal vs. stanford. unc vs. duke... rivalries trigger intense emotions and for the new england region, the biggest rivalry is sox vs. yankees. so it's natural that new englanders focus on that one.

    in addition, with jays, orioles and ray's stinking it up (well, not jays, they are actually quite good) in the AL east these days, yankees suck = sox win.

    the new GM for sox is quite good. he's already pulled off some great trades - especially considering he had very little to work with. give him a few years and we'll see what happens... though with varitek, nomar and pedro's contract situations, things could change dramatically after this year.

    to whoever not liking baseball: give it time. it's like enjoying fine cognac - it's an acquired taste. in a while, i hope you learn to appreciate the subtleties of baseball and not focus so much on it being a "slow" sport. (btw, i love football too (soccer), it's my second favorite spectator sport.)

    i've been a sox fan for a while, even though i have no affiliation with boston. i've never liked the yanks much and the easiest way to show that was to cheer for the sox. when yanks pulled drew henson out of michigan while i was there, that made things personal. :mad:

    being japanese, it's pretty much mandatory that i cheer for mariners (i.e. ichiro). i'm not a fan of matsui at all, not because he's a yank, but because he's not very different from other major leaguers. ichiro, on the other hand, is a great, great baseball player, not just a power hitter like all players are turning into these days.

    btw, a lady of about 108 years old attended a game at fenway recently... thus she's possibly the only living fan of sox to have been alive for the sox's world championships. :D
     
  17. idea_hamster thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Not the cosmos -- Ted Williams. Ted Williams was the cursed one.

    You want to talk Greek tragedy? Williams claimed that he himself was the best hitter ever. How's that for hubris? Of course the Gods wouldn't let the Red Sox win until Williams was gone. The ball club was the unintended secondary victim of the Gods' revenge against Williams.
     
  18. jxyama macrumors 68040

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    but teddy ballgame was the best hitter ever! ;)

    from Ball Four:

    "Everyone called him "Teddy Ballgame" but within major leagues, he called himself "Teddy Ballgame of MFL - Major F**king League."

    :D
     
  19. Foxer macrumors 65816

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    I don't recall Williams ever saing (at least publically) that he was the greatest hitter of all time, just that it was his life-long dream to BE the best hitter of all time. Many (including me) would say that he succeeded.

    Any way, look at the others who claimed to be the greatest - Ruth and Ali, for example. No cosmic power punished their hubris...
     
  20. idea_hamster thread starter macrumors 65816

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    True -- that is the arbitrary nature of the Greek mythos: some are favored by the Gods (like petulant Achilles) and some are not (like noble Hector). No one favored by the Gods ever suffered for pointing it out.
     
  21. idea_hamster thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Hmmm...Maybe she's the cursed one! :D

    (I still think it was Ted.)
     
  22. wdlove macrumors P6

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    Well I guess that we will get to see if the curse is Ted Williams or not. The results of this year should settle the problem one way or another!
     
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    Well now that the Yankees have Benitez they won't get far..he has an awful big-game record. Maybe his coming to the Yanks was all part of the lifting of the curse..had Ted been still alive the Yankee Brass would have vetoed the trade! :D
     
  24. idea_hamster thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Absolutely -- maybe I should see what the Vegas line on the Beaners is at right now. Put some money where my theory is.

    As for Benitez, he seems alot like Weaver to me -- has some great stuff, but somehow can't manage to get the job done.

    Who knows -- maybe somewhere in the summer of 2000, some red-hot-hitter-to-be was born under a dark cloud. He'll play for the Yankees, but never win the fall classic....
     
  25. Ambrose Chapel macrumors 65816

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    You mean like Don Mattingly? ;)
     

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