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The Top Gear MEGATHREAD!!!!
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Who would've thought.....
The Vauxhall ??
The Golf GTI ??
The Aston Martin DB 9 was a no-brainer ofcourse! (and rightfully so)
The Who ??
The Vauxhall ??
The Golf GTI ??
The Aston Martin DB 9 was a no-brainer ofcourse! (and rightfully so)
The Who ??
I don't know how I missed this for so long...iGAV said:
Anyways, I think the first Supercar would have to be the...
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russed said:
I thought it was pretty good... atleast it actually had some cars on it for a change, unlike last week
I don't think this series has been entirely successful though, it's lacked decent content on a major scale and had it's fair share of low points like last week where only 1 car was reviewed and they resulted to that self righteous tosser Cliff.
Observations...
I do love that new Mustang. Ford have done a sterling job translating the qualities and brand values of the original, especially considering how pants the '80's and '90's ones were. Not sure about the rear 3/4 windows though they look a little odd, I'd have preferred it had Ford not added those. But in black and without those naff spot lights and boot spoiler it's damn fine. The biggest question though is why didn't they go the IRS route?
ooooh and it's so expensive over here as well £25k ($47k) yet in the U.S. it starts from $18k or £9k. Interesting to see exactly how quick the new Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 MR FQ400 is...
Impressive stuff especially against a Lamborghini Murcielago, It's a shame he tried to spoil it though, especially with his comments about turbo lag... of course a car which generates 400bhp+ from a 2 litre turbo is going to have poor response at 30 in any gear other than 1st or 2nd frightening service intervals though... I found the Prius feature to be interesting, especially the explantion to how it actually works. I can't help but feel that such technology would be better used on a TDi car though, and like they said a Lupo TDi can do way into the 75mpg range whilst the Prius struggles in the 40's. And the Prius is just the nastiest looking piece of kit as well, a could do better car.
I still think the Probe should be restored.
And the awards were just an utter waste of time... fancy having an Enzo competing in a 2004 car of the year.
it was released in 2002 boys. But a DB9 better... my arse is it.And is it just me, or does the Monaro look atleast 10 years old...
edesignuk said:So which would you have (talking to anyone here
I forgot about that...
I wouldn't take either, the ONLY reason you'd buy a Boxster is because you can't afford a 911, and the Mercedes is abit of a footballers wife car.
EXACTLY! You'll like thisiGAV said:I forgot about that...
I wouldn't take either, the ONLY reason you'd buy a Boxster is because you can't afford a 911, and the Mercedes is abit of a footballers wife car.
Read the (very) small print
mpw said:
The SLK kind of looks like a mini MacMerc SLR doesn't it... but the only people you'll see driving one are footballers wives. heheheh.
I'd take the new Mustang over either, sure it's far too expensive and has dodgy rear suspension. But it has a sense of occasion that neither the Boxster or SLK can match.
edesignuk said:EXACTLY! You'll like this
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Read the (very) small print
heheheh, but it's true. All Boxster owners are boring, it's the safe option the Burberry cap of the car world, the car that waters down a brand by making it too accessible.
They're just so... so bland. Porsche need a kick up the arse in the aesthetic stakes, especially after the NOS 911 they've just released and the Carrera GT before that. Yawns.
I really don't know what is going on in car design at the moment, it's not the lack of talent coming through that's for sure, you can see that just from visiting Coventry University and the RCA's Automotive Design Degree shows, but the majority of designs being signed off at the moment are either retro (GT, MINI, Mustang) or insipid (Astra, Golf, 911, Boxster).
Whether people like BMW and their new direction or not, atleast they're doing something that generates discourse and forces people to have an opinion about, which I think is what all design should do.
At last .....
... a thread that comprehensibly elicidates the feelings I have for Boxters and the people who drive them.
... a thread that comprehensibly elicidates the feelings I have for Boxters and the people who drive them.
I think the next phase will be more contemporary-concept-based aimed at the mainstream consumer level, making the purchaser feel more unique than sheep; and sexy looks on cars are aging faster than lead actors from Friends and are not sustaining the level of loyalty that they would hope.iGAV said:
edesignuk said:So which would you have (talking to anyone here
if i really had to have one i would go with the slk, the boxter makes you look like a wannabe. you want to say you have a porsche but yet again you wouldnt admit to it being a boxter.
also, that mustang was sooooo bad. it looked dreadful. well i at least suppose it kind of has the looks of the original but it is so bloated and its a million miles away from the original.
russed said:
I see it as more of an evolution of the original, sharp lines and all. Bloat was the '70's version
I'd have one tomorrow, it'd certainly stand out amongst the TT's, Z's etc. I just can't believe the mark up Ford will charge in the UK... it's not worth £25k.The Shelby version is supposed to have IRS... but at what cost??
iGAV said:I see it as more of an evolution of the original, sharp lines and all. Bloat was the '70's version
This version (GT-R Concept) looks better
i hate ford. i'd never own one (unless it's over 30 years old!). until i saw the new mustang, i love it! finally some decent design coming out of the states. it's spot on in it's mix of classic retro 'stang, and modern styling.
there's some very nice cars coming from the US companies these days. i must say i love the new Chrylser 300 too, a bit empty on the inside, but outside, fantastic, and the engine is a great one.
if only they'd get a decent mileage, over 30mpg for once, my beaten up old jetta gets that and it's not even running right.
oh, another car i love is the infiniti fx45, very very nice.
anyway, good work on the mustang ford, shame about the rest of your range though, the ford five hundred?? must try harder next time boys.
there's some very nice cars coming from the US companies these days. i must say i love the new Chrylser 300 too, a bit empty on the inside, but outside, fantastic, and the engine is a great one.
if only they'd get a decent mileage, over 30mpg for once, my beaten up old jetta gets that and it's not even running right.
oh, another car i love is the infiniti fx45, very very nice.
anyway, good work on the mustang ford, shame about the rest of your range though, the ford five hundred?? must try harder next time boys.
iGAV said:
There's certainly a resemblance but to me the smaller car pulls the look off better. For some reason(or reasons) I can't stand the SLR.
Didn't see TG last night but would take the Mustang over the two Germans again on looks alone. Are Ford bringing it in in RHD?
To be honest there aren't a great deal of 'sports cars' in the £20-£30k range that really take my fancy compared to some of the saloons they compete with on price.
mpw said:
It's the snout and and the way the cabin seems set so far back on the SLK that just makes it look like a mini-me SLR, I don't mind the SLR there's a couple of bits I'd want to change, the interior is pretty natty and those tail lights are pure tat, but I'm down with everything else.
mpw said:
At the moment it's LHD and import only... I really don't see why Ford wouldn't want to bring it over though, since the demise of the Puma and Cougar Ford don't gave any coupes, and I think the Mustang would sort that out just dandy.
I'd love to find out how it handles though, that live rear axel must make it pretty lively... maybe we should pester evoluzione to go take one for a testdrive
I'll have to disagree with you on this. The new Mustang (and the GT too) are just slightly restyled bastardizations of the original cars. The Five Hundred though, it's hard to mess up when you start from a Volvo platform (and Ford would have been able to pull that offevoluzione said:
)Counterfit said:The Five Hundred though, it's hard to mess up when you start from a Volvo platform (and Ford would have been able to pull that off
I think the Five Hundred is actually quite a handsome car, but then it's a rip of the Mondeo, which itself was a rip of the VW Passat so no surprises there, the biggest problem it has (apart from its name) is that aesthetically it's pushing a generation behind the cars it has copied, err I mean has been influenced by and that makes it look dated even before it's released. Shame about the name though, if you're gonna call a car 'Five Hundred' it better have something to justify that tag. heheh
I just don't get Ford sometimes, in the late '90's they were knocking out some quite daring, class leading designs (Puma, Focus, Ka) and even to a degree the Cougar. All of the above were responses to the criticism they deservedly got for knocking out the Mk 5 Escort back in '90 which itself was a reaction to the radical Sierra back in '82.
But they seem to have lost it all again with the Fiesta, new Focus, C-Max and that other Fiesta spin off ditching the visual dynamism that was really beginning to change peoples perception of the Ford brand.
iGAV said:
the cars on different sides of the atlantic are so different. it's quite interesting watching fifth gear (even if it is two years old)
never did like the Ka, but the new range topper is passble, i'd drive one. i just can't stop thinking that they build cars that are so cheap in quality, but not so in price. the new 'stang however, looks sharp
evoluzione said:
I loved the Ka design when it came out, it just dated everything else instantly, even now coming up to to 9 years old, it still looks fresh. I wouldn't want to own one though. heheh
Ford UK aren't that bad for quality now, they kind fixed that with the Focus in '98, and the new Mondeo, Fiesta C-Max etc are all superbly screwed together, not quite VW standards (Ford admit they use VW as a quality benchmark) and really do have rather swish bespoke Sony stereos that intergrate and define the quality interior aesthetic in many models.
But they've lost that zing that they were beginning to develop back in the late '90's, whether you like the Ka, Puma, Focus etc... at the time they just totally ripped up the rule book regarding how mass produced cars could actually have that quality of design and they seemed to have lost that recently, since the new Mondeo was released and the designer was telling anyone that would listen that they used the Passat as a benchmark (so I believe, he also designed the Passat) they've dulled down again with a range that doesn't have anything inspiring anymore, that's why Ford need to do the right thing and officially import the Mustang pref without the Boxster'esque price tag though!!
Anyway... that's all gravy... what I want to know is when are you going to visit your local Ford dealer and take a testdrive of the new Mustang and give us your 'Official evoluzione' review??
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