The Uber Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Thread (Spoilers Everywhere!)

Discussion in 'Games' started by SamIchi, Dec 30, 2006.

  1. SamIchi macrumors 68030

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    Ok, just finished the game. I think it took me around 50 hrs. I think this Zelda is one of the most beutiful and story driven Zelda's to date. A few gripes about the game are the bosses and linear progression. The bosses were too easy and there was a lack of side quest IMO. But everything else made up for that. The last boss although easy, was pretty cool. I liked the seperate stages of the battle, but I thought it could've used a little more thought. For such a huge world, I think they should've included more stuff.

    One thing that I liked but also disliked at the same time was the weapons/accesories. There were a lot, more than previous Zeldas, but there was no upgrades for any of them except the double clawshot (which is awesome). There really was no need for upgrades and I understand, but I miss the feeling of have more powerful stuff as you progress in the game.

    One last gripe is the damn rupees. There is nothing to buy in the damn game except the damned magic suit and helpin' Malo (cute little guy :D , which reaises another question, is he a boy or like a dwarf?...). Nearly all the chests I opened I had to put back. They should've made some kind of awesome purchase. I don't know what but something cool, like collecting figures or sumthin'.

    With all that said, the lack of purchasing and upgrades on weapons, there really was no point for those in this adventure/story driven gem. Overall, I'd place this Zelda in second place right after LttP. With WW and OoT tied for third. I know I only listed things I didn't like but besides those little things, the game is perfect. The thing that made this game great was the Epic Adventure. It was like no other Zelda. Dungeons were fresh and new. Nothing felt too overdone it was a great adventure.

    Would you guys say this was one of the easier Zeldas, or are we just great Zelda players from years of conditioning. The only part where I got stuck was in the Sky Dungeon; I missed a stupid switch in the begining. Not the one in the big room, but the one with the 3 fans, you hit the crystal switch and 1 turns off. A few puzzles had me thinkin, but they didn't get me super frustrated.
     
  2. Gizmotoy macrumors 65816

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    I haven't played a Zelda for more than 10 minutes since Link to the Past, and I thought TP was pretty easy. I didn't have any trouble at all with the bosses. The trouble I did have involved using the weapons (multiple lock-ons with the boomerang confused me at first) that players of the other 3D zeldas probably already knew how to use. The riding and fighting frustrated me as well, as I could never get the horse to do what I wanted, especially for that burning carriage race part.

    I played that statue puzzle for about 10 minutes before I said screw it and cheated. That's not something I enjoy spending time on.

    I was happy with it though. It was a good launch game and a lot of fun. I play through the original Zelda and LttP every few years. They're still great fun. I miss the Blue Ring ;)
     
  3. SamIchi thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I found the the horse riding a lot easier than what I experienced in OoT. Maybe it's cause of experience, I dunno. The statue one probably took me atleast 20 mins. not sure how long it really took, but it was getting frustrating, but I finally got it. Trial and error.
     
  4. rockthecasbah macrumors 68020

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    The horse riding in TP has been great to me, but COMBAT on the horse has been flawed. Shooting arrows and stuff while riding Epona = Frustrating as hell! That escort mission with Ilia had me pulling out my hair in anger! :mad:

    I agree that the buys are kinda lame in TP, but i wasn't too discouraged by it. I'm still playing because I've been on a mission to myself to find every last little heart piece i can find since i don't want to buy another Wii game / want to fully complete the game to its end. After wasting lots of time and coming up with a ton of heart pieces I just entered the temple of time tonight. My biggest gripe is saving inside temples. I don't always have time to sit down and play dungeons all at once and thus why i go on every little sidequest since once you save and quit in a dungeon you have to start up again in the beginning!

    Otherwise, phenomenal game :p
     
  5. therevolution macrumors 6502

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    Did you know you can use Ooccoo to exit out of a dungeon, save, then when you come back you can warp right back to where you were? I've done it once... it's pretty handy.
     
  6. SamIchi thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I didn't have problems with the horse combat at all. I found it really fluid. As for the arrows, the Z-targeting takes care of everything. The only problem that comes up is when you need to shoot backwards, Link doesn't seem to be able to do that, but that's also understandable.
     
  7. rockthecasbah macrumors 68020

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    That could be why, i don't think i ever z-targeted :D
     
  8. BlizzardBomb macrumors 68030

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    Took me 44 hours and loved every minute of it. Dungeons were massive, story was great, the snowboarding was awesome, expected a little more items and upgrades but it was still good anyway.

    I agree with the annoying horse combat system, especially when you want to swing at something on your left and Link swings right.
     
  9. Redneck1089 macrumors 65816

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    The game was/is amazing. It took me 61 hours to complete absolutely everything. My only complaint was that roll ball mini game at the fishing hole. It took my hours to be beat level eight.
     
  10. Afro1989 macrumors 6502a

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    IMO, Wind Waker's story and overall feel is so much better than that of Twilight Princess. I'm probably gonna' buy Wind Waker again. :D
     
  11. Kwyjibo macrumors 68040

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    I posted some things that I love in a few of the other TP threads. But I'll ad some more.

    I like that there were no BS arrows. (Fire, Light, Whatever else)
    I have 18 hearts, I'm tempted to find the rest but I don't think I have the energy to find all the poes.
    I didn't understand occoo.
    I haven't had the time to finish the whole cave of ordeals ... 50 levels ... wtf.
    I don't think I have the energy to go bug hunting for just a bigger wallet.
    More games ... shooting range and such.
    I can't find all the cats.
    More surprises at the bottom of water areas.
    WTF are bomblings for?
    I didn't like that you had to assign most items to the b-button to use it. Often times I would fire an arrow while trying to clawshot something.
    Fairy fountains used to be more fun.
    The bosses were all two stage (I think this is what they expected to be complicated) but yes I never died playing a boss. I never had to leave a dungeon to get supplies (fairies).
    It used to be a real challenge to get bottles, they seemed real scarce, not so much anymore.
    The game overall felt like it was more about just talking to the right person than completing a complicated mission.
    Remember in OoT when you had to travel all across the city to get them to make the sword for you? I loved that and was hoping for something similar. Even though the prize wasn't that great, it was fun to do the tasks.
    Lack of easy control over day / night.
    We got epona's whistle near the end of the game ... overall it was always easier to walk than find grass to call epona.
    I liked being able to transform into the wolf.
    I was hoping to be able to equip the twilight shadow and then use the energy field as a weapon as link.
     
  12. rockthecasbah macrumors 68020

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    I did not know that, i never used Ooccoo at all, i thought it was only if you like ran out of something and needed to go buy it :p

    A lot of the points you brought up IMO weren't too impacting on how much i enjoy(ed) Twilight Princess. Every game's going to have its faults and i think controlling day / night conversion isn't too high on my list of detracting from gameplay immensely :p . Things like the bottles, too.. it was annoying but nothing more than a little bother.

    One other point i would bring up as a gripe is the difficulty of the game being spotty. That is to say, most stuff was really easy but then one little portion or puzzle would be incredibly frustrating or hard. I'm not sure if the difficulty was properly managed by the developers. It in no way, however, made me want to stop playing... just made me wonder about the planning of the game.
     
  13. RichP macrumors 68000

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    Funny, I was just going to create a spoilers thread, and here it is!

    I just beat the game, took just shy of 60 hours. Honestly, there were a few points where I just could not figure out what to do, and it was driving me (hence the long time spent in completion)

    I agree about some of the bosses, they were rather easy overall. In the early Zeldas, the boss portion had a good chance of ending your life. I think some of the minibosses (the heavily armored knight especially) were more difficult than the end-of-stage bosses.

    I agree about the rather uselessness of the money in this game. Midna was almost too helpful at times, although on a few occassions not helpful whatsoever (Zant, for example, she gives essentially no assistance at all)

    The horse and carriage was very difficult.

    Zelda was eclipsed by Midna at the end, LOL.
     
  14. SamIchi thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Was the the one with 2 dips. I gave up on that one. The second dip is killer.

    Agreed on the arrows.
    The Occoo were just an ancient civilization that lived in the sky.
    Yea I was also expecting more things to find in the waters.
    Haven't found a use for the bomblings.
    I got used to the "b" assigning after the first couple of dunsgeons.
    Agreed on the need of "dungeon preparation", there really was no point.
    Don't really care about the day and night, since it didn't really matter much.
    The twilight power should've been cooler.

    I thought it was a good progression. The first few dungeons were like regular ones, then it started gettin interesting with the other dungeons. I didn't find spots where it got extremely frustrating. The statue puzzle and the puzzle with the block on the ice @ the yeti mansion, but that was about it. I think one of the major things that was missing from this Zelda was the lack of difficulty in the dungeons. They didn't involve using switches for multiple rooms. Everything was basically done room by room. There wasn't too much confusion and it was pretty linear. I kinda of liked it and kind of didn't, cause those multiple levels, constantly switching switches, dungeons get really annoying, but at the same time add a nice bit of difficulty. I'm not complaining about it, just thought I'd point that out.

    After playin some more, after beating the game, I have a few more things to point out. I think they should've included more puzzles like the ones found in Hyrule Castle. The Graveyard part was cool, and using the senses to see the dead people pointing out where to go was also clever.
     
  15. seenew macrumors 68000

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    This was my first Zelda venture, so I have no complaints at all.
    Except I wish it could have been even longer!

    All I've got left to do is beat the Cave of Ordeals, I got to the 46th level, but I am too lazy to go find the rest of the heart pieces, so I've only got 15 hearts. :(
     
  16. Kwyjibo macrumors 68040

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    I'm up to 19 hearts and 3/5 I need to beat Yeta in snowboaring and I need to find all the cats. Can anyone help me find the cats?


    My things above were more my general thoughts than things i really thought that inhibited gameplay. They are things I would change but I bet someone else would complain about them.
     
  17. unsanity macrumors newbie

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    I didn't have too much trouble with that, I just methodically went from room to room, and then onto the second floor. Look on top of everything and in every corner. Also, sometimes you will be able to see their shadows before you see the actual cats, and then you will know exactly where the cat is.
     
  18. SamIchi thread starter macrumors 68030

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    The one that had me lookin was in a room (last building on the left from where you start) behind some barrels. This is the only one that doesn't walk around, it stays behind the barrel. Then there's another one in that same room, but you can't access it from the ground level of that room. You have to jump through the side window. You go through the town a few times, it'll be easy as cake.
     
  19. Kwyjibo macrumors 68040

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    no thats the thing, I've done it a while ... and I keep ending up with 18 or 19 ... grrr

    edit: and then I found it! Now on to Yeta
     
  20. Krevnik macrumors 68030

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    After completing the end of the Cave of Ordeals... you will never say that about the Knight again. ;)

    You have to face off with 3 of the knights at once, and once you learn the pattern there, the knights in Hyrule Castle are braindead easy.
     
  21. Sky Blue Guest

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    Finished it today! Loved very second, the final battle was a complete fan service but it was awesome...

    My ranking:

    TP>OoT>LTTP>MM>LA>LoZ>WW>AoL

    I have Minish Cap..must get round to play it. I'll have to get the Oracles off of Ebay.
     
  22. SamIchi thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I finished the cave yesterday, The 3 knights were a challenge, but once you figure them out it's not that bad. I've read that you can play the caves again, and it's even harder. I only had to use one blue potion. I'm goin to play the caves again tomorrow.
     
  23. Krevnik macrumors 68030

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    As I said, once you figure out the pattern for the 3, the ones in the castle are braindead. ;)

    I haven't tried going through the cave a second time, although I might.
     
  24. ddrueckhammer macrumors 65816

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    I really liked Minish Cap alot...It is a fun little game and fits perfectly on its platform.

    Anyway, I would rank them this way:

    TP>OoT>LttP>WW>MC>MM>LoZ>OoS>OoA>LA>AoL

    At this point, I guess I would say that I am more of a fan of the 3D Zeldas and like the console ones better than the handheld ones but I really can't wait to try Phantom Hourglass next year. Come on Nintendo, release it already! I do want to replay Majora's Mask when it is released on the VC because I have a feeling that it is better than I give it credit for but it was always in the shadow of Ocarina...IMO Zelda, is a franchise that has consistently gotten better over the years. Hopefully, it continues to be that way. Can't wait for the Wii exclusive Zelda in a few years!
     
  25. BlizzardBomb macrumors 68030

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    While I think Twilight Princess is without a doubt the best Zelda yet, Ocarina did more for me at it's release in 1998 than TP did for me 2006/2007. My ranking would be (and I won't abbreviate so that people new to Zelda know what the games are):

    Ocarina of Time > Twilight Princess > Link to the Past > Majora's Mask > Wind Waker > Minish Cap > Link's Adventure > Oracle of... games > Legend of Zelda > Adventure of Link
     

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