Third Colorado lawmaker faces possible recall over gun control

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    As the title states, a third Colorado is facing a possible recall over gun control votes if enough signatures are collected.


    Reuters - Third Colorado lawmaker faces possible recall for gun control votes


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    At what point do our friends who think it's still 1885 gain some sanity and join us in 2013 and realize that this needs to stop because real people are dying in the modern day due to gun violence? It seems like we're hearing of some new shooting every week, when do these guys grow up and realize that guns are indeed a problem?
     
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    As long as people espouse their rights, but forget about their responsibilities, we will continue our long decline as a civilized country.
     
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    As long as our elected representatives fail to uphold their responsibilities, they will continue to face recall. They must never forget their oaths of office, and the fact that they are employed at will.
     
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    Agreed. I hope this one is as successful as the last one.
     
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    What about the responsibility of keeping society as a whole safe from weapons that are designed to kill?

    Where does it say that elected officials's employment is at will?

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    Why all this effort over a single issue? It's no wonder why nothing ever gets done in government, it's CONservatives that raise single issues like this and recall elected officials from doing their jobs.

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    What's the point of civilization if people refuse to be civilized?
     
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    Politicians have been shirking responsibility since time immemorial. That's what they do. Why is it guns that gets people motivated and not the atrocities like ridiculous wars and raping the economy? From my perspective your little flag waving priorities are ass backwards.
     
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    Are you referring to knives, forks, hammers, automobiles, or baseball bats? I don't think any of that is in their oath of office.
     
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    I think you'll find that with the exception of some knives, the rest of your list is entirely composed of items that weren't designed to kill. Unlike guns.
     
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    And yet only gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right. Go figure.
     
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    Also halberds, pikes, and longbows.

    And crossbows. Definitely crossbows.
     
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    Because, it isn't just about one issue. In this past legislative session, the Colorado legislature passed several controversial pieces of legislation.

    1. Passed a bill that would give illegal aliens in-state tuition at state universities.

    2. Passed a bill that required a certain percentage of rural energy come from renewable sources. Will substantially raise rates for rural consumers.

    3. Passed the gun legislation.

    All of these bills were signed into law by Governor Hickenlooper. People are angry and fed up. They think that their legislatures are not listening to them, thus the recalls.
     
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    You forgot pocket trebuchets.
     
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    Be that as it may, that does not equate to them shirking their responsibilities. Unpopular, yes, irresponsible, no.
     
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    How dare you try to divert OP's agenda with facts when she is trying to make it all about guns! The type of guns that shoot people on their own.
     
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    I never said that they were shirking their responsibilities or irresponsible. Many people think that the recalled senators are not adequately representing them.
     
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    You're right, you didn't, but posts #2 and #3 brought up the concept of responsibility, in a generic sort of way but still implying that these particular lawmakers were shirking their responsibilities, and your specifically said you agreed with post #3. Also your post was a convenient one to quote because I could agree with your point about them being unpopular, but then bring up the responsibility thing.

    I'm just trying to say that, IMO, it's not a responsibility of a lawmaker to make popular decisions.
     
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    A lot of this is deviating from the issue of foolishly recalling Colorado state lawmakers but I'll bite.



    How dare the state government decide for itself without the federal government's interference to aid people in accessing higher education so they can be productive members of society? Aren't people people from both sides of the isle always yapping about the need for higher education and now that it is accessible to more people, it's a bad idea?

    We have a similar bill in California that was passed in 2001 called AB-540 which gave undocumented individuals access to in-state tuition and it's worked quite well as many people have benefited from it and are better suited for the workforce. I personally know some people who have benefited from having access to AFFORDABLE tuition and are doing well thanks to a bill like this.

    Keep in mind the broader picture and realize that the "illegal aliens" who benefit from these types of bills were born in other countries and brought here unknowingly and against their will by their parents when they were too young to even remember entering the United States. These people grew up among the rest of us and often find out that they were in the country "illegally" prior to graduating high school. Many of these people did well in school but hit a roadblock with college because they cannot afford it due to their status. These types of bills have strict qualifications so not just anyone can get in-state tuition.

    Despite immigration status, are people supposed to suffer this kind of injustice because of the sins of their parents, are we not merciful? I'm not religious but isn't it a good idea to help the least among us?



    I don't know enough about this issue but I am glad to know that some effort is being done to limit our dependence on oil.



    This one makes me laugh.



    I think it's only extremist groups like Tea Party and *******tarians who are really angry enough to manage a recall. Run of the mill Republicans are lemmings because they see someone with a "D" next to their name on a ballot.
     
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    If the voters of Colorado feel that they are not being represented then it is NEVER foolish to remove said person from the office they were voted into BY THE PEOPLE.



    Fine, let the state do that, but if the voters feel that this was not in there best interest then they have every right to recall the people they voted into office.

    That's nice, I do not agree with such a bill but that is only my opinion.

    Don't care how/when/if they knew they were entering illegally. Go through the proper channels and become a leagal citizen. Then they can have access to all the "wonderful things" other Americans do.

    Yes, there parents knew what they were doing, or at least knew it was wrong. It is there own fault for putting their child in that position in the first place

    Sure, but I personally want to make that choice. They should not be using state funds to help an illegal alien through school and the like. If there is a privately funded tuition that i have the ability to opt into than great, I will do it that way if I so feel the need.


    But if your state is 75% rural and this happens you are only hurting the majority of your voters.

    Thats nice



    You realize you sounds like a 12 year old when you spout words like "*******tarians" and "CONservatives" right? Is it so hard to just call the different parties by what they are and not try to make it derogatory? I may have missed it but I don't see "Dumbocrat" being used at all (or nearly as much) as you appear to use the above terms.
     
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    How does renewable energy hurt people in rural areas?
     
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    I think it has to do with raising the prices, pretty much doubling those prices in places.
     
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    How can a 2% capped price increase for renewables (as per the Denver Post) double electricity bills?
     
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    I am just going from what I have read (briefly/Skimming) in the articles that were provided.
     
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    From the article:

    There is no. ****ing. way. that will double their bill.

    And who cares if it does? I'm sick of subsidizing the lifestyle of people who chose to live in the middle of nowhere.
     
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    From the Denver post article above:

    I agree that if it was causing bills to double that would be unacceptable.
     

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