Thurrott at it again: HP's iPod Moves Could Hurt the Indust...

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    I find it interesting how threatened the entire PC market seems to feel about this combination of forces. HP is a major player in the PC game, and the iPod is obviously a heavy hitter. If I made PC's in competition with these folks, I think I'd be worried too, and would probably try to go out of my way to make it sound like a bad deal to the consumers.

    And btw - that guy's small type on his page was enough for me to want to stop reading almost immediately.
     
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    first its good, now its bad. This guys a fool
     
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    This seems to have got them running.
    In the U.K. the day after this was announced there was major iPod news coverage the problem is the only thing they will talk about is how bad the battery life is. Nothing about the HP deal. strange.
     
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    OMG, Paul you need to look in the mirror dude. You've become MS's prison bitch.


    This must be really scaring microsoft if they're unleashing this much FUD in the press.
     
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    This guy just doesn't get it. He's complaining that people won't be able to play their WMAs on the iPod. Excuse me, but what WMAs? The HP computers will come preinstalled with iTunes, so users will rip their CDs into AAC, and will buy online downloads in AAC. Paul just doesn't like to see Microsoft losing, so he's making up all this rubbish in an attempt to get noticed.
     
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    I'm going to have to buy shares in a clothespin company if this keeps up. I could make millions from the smell this buh... (you get the point) makes.

    Febreeze ain't got nothing on me. ;)
     
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    I wish all MP3 player would support all music file types. It is about choice, like MS said, but they dont offer AAC, so they are wrong too. If i want WMA, that's my business, and if i want AAC, then give it to me!
     
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    Just because they have iTunes dont mean they own a iPod. How many other players support Apple's protected AAC files? There are thousands of mp3 players that support WMA, and i think that's the entire point.
     
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    Sure, heaps of other players support WMA, but they also support MP3, which is what everyone rips their own CDs into. The only reason for people to have WMAs would be if they've already bought songs from a WMA music store.
     
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    what's preventing anyone from installing using WMP? No one's holding a gun to your head telling you to use iTMS or HP's pod.

    How many crappy mediocre apps have been bundled with PCs over the year? They are legion and no one says a thing. But when it's iTMS, Paul screams heretic at the top of his lungs.

    People are always saying WMA is about choice, but I've never heard anyone 'cept Paul gush about the quality. So if there's anyone with first hand experience with the WMA, I'm curious to know how good it is compared to MP3's and AAC.
     
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    in essence what this dude is saying...

    "everyone should have a choice....as long as it's WMA"

    Like some poster said before, "MS's prison bitch"
     
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    WMA is better than mp3, but AAC is much better than both
     
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    choice or the illusion of choice....

    Wanted to comment on the word 'choice' that people and companies are throwing around. When they say, "You can mix and match software and music player stuff. We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services.", the underlying implication is that choice is only available in the interface/player aesthetics for which a standardized format is played/manipulated, and not the format itself. Apple and HP both know and rightly so, that the format for legally purchased digital music is far from being standardized, and as such the use of the word choice with respect to how a format is played back in different players is irrelevant and misleading.
     
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    I agree. Apple and MS are playing a game with the consumers...
     
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    Xsqueeze me ?

    When did AAC become a propriatary file type ? AAC is a standard like MP3...WMA is a closed system that microsoft OWNS!!! Talk about a closed file type !!! This guy needs to get his facts straight.
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    MS maybe, Apple no!

    Listen, it's really simple. Apple is using an open standard. MS is using a closed one but they want everyone to use that one. Apple is drawing a line in the sand and in so doing is inviting everyone else to use AAC! Simple. There is not one reason why Apple should go along with the MS hegemony on this issue. meanwhile, take all your WMA files and convert them and then put them in your iPod! It's a piece of cake. The issue that people are being locked out is silly! I have converted AIFF, MP3, WMA, AAC on my iPod and stored in iTunes. For Apple to embrace WMA right now is to have to pay royalties to MS and LOSE their whole game plan to MS. That's what Thurrott and Enderle want... for Apple to go away! Don't help these idiots!
     
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    Re: MS maybe, Apple no!

    That's the Badger!:)
     
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    OMG! This guy is full of it! he's taking shots at apple (and HP), trying to put them down with false facts.

    Note: iPod mini shipping Feb. 16th. That's just over 1 month.

    Again, what is it with this guy? Apple has changed the world many times over, especially in the past 5-7 years and definitely back in the 70s when Steve Wozniak built the first personal micro computer and Steve Jobs put it up for sale.

    indeed, the MS and Windows zealots are quaking in their boots.
     
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    Re: MS maybe, Apple no!

    I don't car for WMA any more than you. I agree that MS is trying to push it's own proprietary standard and I don't agree with it. That's their game.

    Apple keeps competitors out of thier products. iTMS only works with iTunes. iPod only works with iTunes. No other music store works with iTunes. Well, that may not be entirely true, but you have to take extra steps. I think Apple should stay with ACC, but open up iTunes and the iPod to third parties. But that's Apples game.
     
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    Doesn't he get off on the wrong foot with the very second sentence of his article?

    As far as I can tell, he's lying already. True, iPod minis aren't available until April ... IN EUROPE. If you add an iPod mini to your shopping cart in the Apple Store, it gives a ship date of Feb. 16.

    Maybe this is a European site? Doesn't look like it though. Looks more like this guy is full of it.
     
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    Yeah and they probably didn't even talk about the 3rd party replacements??

    Today on TechTv Screensavers one of the hosts who had his hand all bandage up fixed older gen iPod's battery in like 4-5 mins flat.
     
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    Ugh

    This guy says he has two iPods and has downloaded a bunch of tunes through the iTMS and yet he still has the gall to make statements like this with a straight face?

    iTunes for Windows has been out for quite some time now, and Apple seems to be handling the sales just fine. This guy is unbelievable.
     
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    Re: Re: MS maybe, Apple no!

    It's a game to win then. Your pathway for them is to an ending not a growth. If that scenario took root you'd better come to love WMA 'cause it's all you'll have. It's THAT simple. Apple needs a lot of help mate, in order to get BIG enough to withstand the MS onsalught that would ensue. It might not be ideal, with you I agree, but it's not a level playing field and make no mistake about it.
     

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