Tiger echoes in Windows Vista - first look

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    A nice summary article that highlights many of the new features in Vista. However, it seems like they still have their work cut out for themselves. The MSFT employee interviewed for this article claimed that their new OS is less than 50% complete with Vista Beta 1. But the last paragraph is the best:
    I wonder what those reasons are? ;) Perhaps Leopard?! :D
     
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    You bring up a good point as that is when Mac OS X.5 (Leopard) is supposed to ship.

    Also, this will give MS more time to copy all the new features in Tiger and Leopard. :D
     
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    Leopard prob won't be shipping until 2007. Apple will prob release a beta to developers at WWDC '06 and release the OS in spring '07
     
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    That is VERY interesting. Up til now MS has always focused on features. How much crap you can stuff into an OS. IF they are finally realizing that security needs to be priority one I have a bit of hope for Vista...a bit. :confused:
     
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    let me get this straight, it would be very easy for a non admin to get admin rights?
     
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    Only if an administrator gave them the rights. If that's the case, then yes. The point is that rather than having Mom or Grandpa having an admin account (where they can allow more damage than good), they would be given a more restrictive account by default, but not as limited as a limited account.

    Similar to how in Mac OS X, not every user is a "root" account.
     
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    How is Longhorn with regards to Resolution Independent UI?

    In some ways OS X is better at this than XP: nice big icons you can size at will, and Exposé in essence grants you more UI real estate temporarily on demand. And you can zoom the whole display very smoothly thanks to Quartz.

    And I know that in some ways XP is better: more control over things like menu fonts. You can run a display with high DPI and tiny pixels, but boost the font size to compensate and achieve better readability.

    And BOTH OS's permit an individual app to give you zoom control and/or font size control.

    But none of that is a TRUE Resolution Independent UI: where you simply set your desired scaling, and EVERYTHING transparently obeys. Window borders, icons, buttons, menus, fonts, the contents of app windows... EVERYTHING. With ONE single scaling setting. You could, for instance, set your 23" display to have the same "real estate" as a 20" display, with everything bigger--but still using the full res of the display. So everything is sharper and more detailed, and fonts are clearer. Or, the flip side, you could scale down to 1/2, and give a 15" PowerBook the same real estate as a 30" Cinema Display.

    How close to this does XP come? (I have XP but I hate to boot it :D ) Does Vista do this?

    Because Leopard will... and Tiger already does, it's just disabled by default. (It's there so that developers can prepare for Leopard.)

    http://developer.apple.com/releasenotes/GraphicsImaging/ResolutionIndependentUI.html

    See sample image (with Safari at 200% scaling--only imagine that the window borders/buttons were as nice as the fonts are) here:
    http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/20
    (Search for "Scalable User Interface" and click to zoom it.)

    This is the feature that has me excited about Leopard already. Scaling up OR down at excellent quality would be SO useful. Readability vs. windowing real-estate? No more trade-offs! Set it how you like, WHEN you like, at will :) And bring on the high-DPI, tiny-pixel screens, because there will be no downside (other than cost) to them once the UI is res independent. No more need to lose readability just because your pixels are small.
     

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