Ok, so 10.4.2 is a big step in the right direction, but it's still very buggy. Here are some of my outstanding bugs: 1. Spotlight does not index messages in the Trash folder of mail 2. Safari will still not show the scroll bar properly if you load a page with lots of images. (Go to gettyimages.com and do a search for an example.) 3. If you delete a folder with the window open, Tiger changes the name of the folder (why?, who knows) and does not close the folder 4. iChatAgent still perpetually crashed 5. Audio chats with Panther users still gets the bandwidth error, even if it is on the same LAN. 6. Mail and iChat still don't auto-hide at login. 7. Quartz 2D still a mystery 8. Mail still puts the wrong signature on reply emails when one has multiple email accounts. 9. Mail will still save a file INSIDE of a keynote file if you saved a keynote attachment prior to saving the new file. (This one is one of my favorite bugs.) 10. Mail messages forwarded by a rule still do not show up in the sent mail folder. The list goes on an on...and this is just what I found in the past hour or so... I am happy that 10.4.2 got rid of a lot of bugs. But too many remain. Way too many. And no, I don't expect Tiger to be bug free, but as this list illustrates, Tiger is still too buggy for what we expect from a company like Apple. And I really hate being so negative, especially when talking about Apple, but this is simply pathetic. Let's hope 10.4.3 is Tiger done right.