Tim Cook Opposed Suing Samsung Over Mobile Device Patents

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    In a report outlining the well-examined "frenemies" relationship between Apple and Samsung, Reuters notes that Apple CEO Tim Cook was opposed to suing Samsung for allegedly copying iOS, iPhone and iPad patents in the creation of its own line of tablets and smartphones. Cook's thoughts illustrate the differences between him and predecessor Steve Jobs, who said he was willing to wage "thermonuclear war" on companies that "stole" from Apple.
    Cook's operational expertise no doubt influenced his perspective in worrying about impacts on the supply chain side of the equation, but he was overruled by Jobs. Since the dispute with Samsung broke out into the legal arena, Apple has been working to reduce its reliance on Samsung, but the two remain closely linked.

    During Apple's Q2 2012 conference call, Cook said he has always "hated litigation", noting that he would prefer to settle rather than battle it out in the courts, although he emphasized that Apple does not want to become the "developer for the world". Apple has settled with other companies that it has had patent issues with, including HTC, but last November Samsung publicly said that it was not interested in settling with Apple.

    Article Link: Tim Cook Opposed Suing Samsung Over Mobile Device Patents
     
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    Cook fails to see this:

    You can choose another manufacturer. You can't get back stolen designs. EVER
     
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    I like Tim Cook. Jobs' tantrums were ridiculous. All he did was cry like a baby over stupid stuff.
     
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    You can't tell the difference between Apple and Samsung mobile devices?

    I think Cook knows how to play the game. Sometimes you keep your enemies closer.
     
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    Cook needs to understand direct competition, not just let them get away with it and vice versa. The reason being i've seen it happen all too often just look at the British automotive and motorcycle industry.

    Britain were at the top of their game in the 1950's and 1960's. Then other manufactures from other countries began copying our designs and concepts.

    We did nothing and well the rest is history, we have no car industry today.
     
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    I am much more apt to listen to a CEO than a forum surfer. As I have said in the past, Samsung is the best supplier of flash, nand, chips, and screens on the planet. From productions standpoint they would be shooting themselves in the foot to sever the ties with samsung. The higher failure rate of the alternatives was and still are unacceptable. They need samsung until they can find a manufactuerer that can meet the needs they have. We have already seen the issues with the new screen manufacturer (tracking diagonal swiping correctly) and I am sure they would like to avoid that.

    In essence cutting ties with samsung, for now, would result in lower quality products. That is not to say that in the future it will be the same issue. Until the day comes though apple needs to play nice.

    Tim Cook is a supply chain guy, he knows his stuff and wouldn't have raised these concerns if there was no reason.
     
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    cook was thinking objectively... Just like don corleone said.. It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business :D. Steve took it very personally..
     
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    But I imagine he hates flagrant systematic copying even more than litigation.

    "It's important that Apple not become the developer to the world."
    - Tim Cook, 4/12/2012, during Apple's FYQ2 earnings call

    True then. True now. True forever.
     
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    Definitely the difference between a leader and a manager.

    Jobs was obviously a leader. Cook on the other hand, is a good manager but definitely no leader. He's willing to play nice to make sure the ship stays on course but is not willing to make the tough decisions that Jobs would have. Either way, Jobs is gone and we have Cook as the CEO and Jobs chose him for a reason or simply because he was the most qualified at the time.....
     
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    What about he business impact or losing revenue to another company using your designs?

    I would assume that is the angle most CEO's would take.
     
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    Nah I'm pretty sure that's not all he did.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it is.
     
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    Unless, of course, Apple has plans to design their own flash memory components.

    You might remember that Apple bought Anobit, an Israeli flash memory controller design firm. Their intellectual property includes advanced techniques for increasing flash memory performance and longevity while reducing costs.

    And guess what. Samsung had a large contract with Anobit for their NAND flash memory designs. But now that Apple owns Anobit, that deal has been cancelled. Samsung must now get their flash memory from someone else, and they won't have Anobit's advanced technology any more.

    Also, Samsung will be losing Apple's flash memory business. And as we all know, that business is huge. Apple is the world's leading consumer of flash memory. They control the market.

    Maybe this MacRumors post will refresh your memory (pun intended):

    http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/10/apple-confirms-acquisition-of-israeli-flash-memory-firm-anobit/

    And here's a little more on Anobit at Wikipedia (65 patents owned or pending):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anobit
     
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    Sure about that in 2012? Source?
     
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    I suspect that Cook knew this and the insiders statements are bogus.

    It's more likely that what he said was that he was opposed to suing Samsung until they got more manufacturers in place. that way if Samsung tried to throw a tantrum they would have their backup already going and it wouldn't screw with their supplies and seriously hurt things.

    But it's more fun and gets more hits to make Apple look bad, thus the incorrect phrasing. Or these so called insiders are just stupid

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    Which is why he didn't call off all the lawsuits as soon as he was fully in charge. And even perhaps started a few.

    The settlement comment was more likely in regards to how some companies don't call the alleged offender first to try to work things out but go straight to the lawsuits. Cook probably doesn't like that tactic because it is a headache of legal wranglings, its costly etc. So under his watch, Apple sends a letter or makes a phone call and if the other side isn't willing to talk it out over tea, then a suit is filed. And Cook probably wishes other companies would give Apple that chance as well.

    NOT that he would never sue if there was cause.
     
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    Well that is another way to look at it... losing your vendors or losing your customers, like which is worse... it sort of lesser of two evil kind of decision, and we know how that went down.

    and the CEO take should really be an inform decision, like make a balance sheet on which is worse. but steve took it like a personal vendetta, maybe because it happen to him with windows, and now android (idk, i'm speculating here).

    but at the end of the day, it is really a hard decision to make.

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    Thats a nice info, I remember watching a documentary about a motorcycle in the 60's where honda made a better engine, model and style against the british manufacturer. and not only it was better, but it's also cheaper.

    maybe cook should take note of this.
     
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    This is cool. This is the sort of thing we should see from CEOs.
    But it needs to be followed though on.
    He can't just bend over when his lawyers or managers insist on pushing through with the litigation.

    In the end he's responsible for the company's image, and giving in to internal pressure to litigate isn't going to help the image. It's going to hurt the long term image, just for a short term court-ruling judgement.
     
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    And as long as Cook continues to think "objectively" instead of taking it personally Apple will lose its luster. "Taking it personally" is what brings passion to the game. I wouldn't want anyone working for me who wasn't as pissed off as Jobs was about this.
     
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    "All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Steve, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Samsung. He piled upon the corporation's similar design the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heart’s shell upon it."

    - Walter Isaacson, Steve Jobs
     
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    Pretty sure the horribly unreliable land rover and jaguar was more to blame then copiers.
     
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    Your post isn't even internally consistent.

    If you can't get back stolen designs. Ever. Than why sue?

    Apple's supply arrangements with Samsung are far more valuable than the likely outcome of the suit. So the good business decision is to not sue. Also, suing your suppliers doesn't exactly help you get the best suppliers.

    It is also a good business decision to find alternative suppliers, which they have been doing. But Apple can walk and chew gum at the same time.
     
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    Well, but not suing Samsung is not entertaining either. Also, I guess SJ saw a little bit of Big Blue in, well,
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    Did you really have to quote from a book that I haven't read/listened to yet? Next time, please put "SPOILER ALERT" before I start reading! :p

    Luckily, I'll start this book soon as the girl I'm dating just gave it to me as an audio book. :D
     
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    Comeon. Everyone knows about Steve Jobs going thermonuclear. I'm not spoiling anything.

    Also Snape kills Dumbledore, and the Matrix is a computer simulation the robots set up so they can use people as batteries.
     
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    they don't.


    having a microprcocessor design (ARM core based one ) doesn't mean you have a DRAM design. Similarly, a flash controller is not NAND flash chips. They are two different kinds of chips.


    Anobit can't make squat. Samsung has factories that make physical thinks people can buy. Samsung is not lacking at all in flash memory abilities at all.

    Marvell , LSI/Sandforce , Intel, etc all make flash controllers with ECC and work arounds for flash wear problems. Samsung is not particularly pressed about this shift in controllers for a smaller subset of their business. Even back when the initially hooked up with Anobit it wasn't betting all of its money on just one solution

    "... Samsung has a partnership with Seagate to develop and cross-license flash controller technologies, so there may conceivably be a role for Anobit in this relationship. It could also get a look-in with server flash storage supplier Fusion-io where Samsung has made an investment. ... "
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/18/samsung_anobit/

    Samsung is a basic flash block supplier. It was and still is in their basic interest as a basic component supplier to work with all the Flash controller developers out there. If Apple wants to be boneheaded and exclude Samsung, a major flash provide, that their choice. Long term it is a bozo move. Especially, since Apple doesn't make anything.

    There are also different levels of flash controller. Some are aimed at USB flash drive contexts. ( like this one that got some Anobit tech SK6630 and others ) and others are aimed at SSD drives... which Samsung has their own for MLC...

    " ... Their Samsung 830 Series SSD is not based on the very common SandForce or Marvell controllers. The company uses their own design called S4LJ204X01. This controller is based on a triple core ARM processor, similar to what you have in your smartphone. The flash chips and controller DRAM are also produced by Samsung which means the company has full control over every component in their drive, certainly a unique situation. ..."
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Samsung/830_Series_SSD_512_GB/


    Apple shouldn't be as dependent upon Samsung as they are now (more bids and investments in other suppliers ) but to cross them off completely is silly.


    Apple is a player, but in so far they make nothing they hardly control it.

    Apple purchased Anobit likely to merge the flash controller into future Apple SoC ( Apple A(6+?) ) and not have to pay for the IP license per 100 million sold. If $10 a pop the deal would easily pay for itself.

    Kneecapping Samsung? Hardly.
     

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