time magazine and end of world article

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  1. jefhatfield Retired

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    i just saw time magazine and the cover article practically blames christians for the end of the world rhetoric

    this is totally unfair and does not represent christianity as i know it and any end of the world believers have not read the book of revealation (new testament)

    only god knows the end of the world and no evangelical, fundamentalist, or jehovah's witness can claim anything i will take over the word of the bible which says nobody knows

    the media has painted christendom (religions, denominations, and cults/others) as some sort of new age fashionable cult full of idiots with no brains

    that's my gripe for the day
     
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    and in other news:

    Stunning politicians on both the left and right, a federal appeals court declared for the first time Wednesday that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools is unconstitutional because of the
    words "under God'' inserted by Congress in 1954.

    The ruling, if allowed to stand, would mean
    schoolchildren could no longer recite the pledge, at least in the nine Western states covered by the court.

    Critics of the decision were flabbergasted and warned that it calls into question the use of "In God We Trust'' on the nation's currency, the public singing of patriotic songs like "God Bless America,'' even the use of the phrase "So help
    me God'' when judges are sworn into office.

    more food for thought as we move ever closer to the end times.....;)
     
  3. AlphaTech macrumors 601

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    Hey jef,

    I blame them for it too.. :D :p haaahaaaaa... gotcha...

    Acutally, throughout history, they have started more wars and caused more deaths then anyone else. Remember the crusades?? How about the Spanish inquisition??? All done in the name of the christian god... Of course, they always seem to blame us Jews for their main dude getting nailed to a chunk of wood... :D

    Do we really want to get into this though???
     
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    Well, I'm not sure if an specific religion is responsable of the actual world problems. Lets not mention Alcaeda and those things for now. The Catholic religion is taking a more responsable place as far as I know. I think most of the costructive religions should do an effort to keep the world in pecae rather than discussin if the wine did or did not had alcohol 2000 years ago.

    The problem I see is the comunism or liberalism in to religions. But on the other hand, after the cold world all the comunist, terrorist and drug dealers have been looking for new places to develop their policies (ex. Venezuela).

    So, I think that is the mayor reason for most of the problems now days, changing political systems, that too, is a good area to sell/test weapons. The socialism is a most dangerous way of capitalims, creatting conflicts every where, with the end of attaking the US.
     
  5. Macpoops macrumors 6502

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    First of all I am a christian. But Jef you should not be upset by this. After all how long have muslims been labeled as terrorists and cab drivers? Those who know have even the slightest understanding of Islam know that the teaching denounce violence and it is a very peaceful religion. So Americans specifically because of the terrorist acts, automatically assume all muslims want to kill americans. Now if you want a comparision as to why some muslims act as terrorists, here is one. You konw those fundamentalist christians out there that want mandatory prayer in schools, every form of entertainment to be wholesome and positive, etc.... That is how the fundamentalist muslims are seen in the muslim world. Except the Koran and Hadith teach a very simple form of life. Which means they need to rid their world of all the luxuries. Now where are these luxuries from? The US.

    So this was a bit long winded but what i want to say is Jef don't be upset about people prejudging christians for once we've been doing it to muslims and jews for years. So what goes around comes around
     
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    a few nutcases within christianity get noticed and they somehow begin to represent christianity instead of christ in the eyes of the media

    these fundamentalists worship money, power, adulation, and political causes and give real christians a bad name

    they worship the top 1 percent of income earners in society and have no goodwill for their fellow man who is poor in the world, or even poor in the united states

    a well known talk show host, bernie ward of kgo/abc, calls them the christian white due to their affiliation with the ultra right wing and the christian identity movement and racist attitudes

    a few fundamentalists in christianity do not represent christians accurately anymore than al qaeda represents islam

    the bible is john 3:16, not seats on capitol hill and membership to an all-white golf course
     
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    Perhaps you could [try to] explain how the church can allow child mollesting priests... Also, how about the way they just shift them from one community to another (without telling anyone)?? It was all over the news up here in MA recently. It's also not the first time that this type of thing has been in the news.
     
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    the christian church, catholics and protestants, need to kick those leaders out and send them to the authorities...and apologize and make reparations
     
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    Re: time magazine and end of world article

    I read the article and it didn't sound to me like it was blaming all Christians for end-of-the-world rhetoric. (But this is an atheist speaking.) It didn't seem to have a lot of substance, but I think it was only trying to show how Sept. 11 and "modern times" are impacting religious peoples' beliefs in the "apocalypse." As with any religion, I think most of Christianity's followers are reasonably sane and rational, but it's the minority, consisting of passionate and zealous nutters that ruin it for everyone.

    (That article is online here , by the way)

    My favorite paragraph:

    The books were enough to persuade Sandra Keathley, a Boeing employee in Wichita, Kans., not to buy Microsoft's Windows XP, because she has heard rumors that it carries a method of tracking e-mail. (In fact, the software had an instant-messaging bug that was later fixed.) If the Antichrist were to come, she fears, "and you want to contact another Christian, they could see that, trace it."

    Hey, loony ultra-right Christians are OK in my book after all! :)

    Alex
     
  10. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

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    As Bill Gates is the anti-christ there is some basis in that statement.
     
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    bill gates is not cool enough to be the anti-christ... :D
     
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    The Constitution says seperate Church and State, Period. Religious affairs have no place in the day to day running of the nation nor in the rules of law. Sorry to be so blunt with it, but its true.

    For the record here are some other bend no rules that are getting bent lately:
    Freedom of Speech: Office of Misinformation anyone?
    Search and Siezure: No rights for you kiddies, not in this War.
    2nd Amendment: Yes, I am a gun rights supporter. I think you should have to pass basic inteeligence tests as well as psycological profiles to have them, though. On the other hand, cops don't have to do this testing either.

    I really don't want to get into this, but it makes me mad. I don't think that anyone should be condemed for their religious beliefs, but the only way to eradicate condemnation is to not endorse any religion. As for "In God we Trust, etc." The founding fathers were predominatly Diest, which means that they believed that God created all this, but has no preserving interest in our day to day lives. I could get into that.
     
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    You see, they shouldn't give me a gun because I can't spell well enough.:D
     
  14. drastik macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah, its still n the news down here in Nashville,too. Of course I lived in Boston for a few years, so I can relate. Cardinal Law has no problem running his mouth.
     
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    hey, look at that!!
    I'm a regular man now. I am not crazy, I am a regular man. Wierd forum to cross 100 though.:D
     
  16. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    congrats...now you are on the hit list of the boss of windows xp, the anti christ bill gates:p
     
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    Revelations

    The book of Revelations was Cannonized (meaning put into the modern bible) 300 years after being written, with the express condition that it Not be taken literally. That was the reason that it took 300 years to cannonize. The fear was that people would take the images in this book literally and prepare for the end of the world. Armegeddon for instance will not happen, at least not in this world. Jesus will not come ridding on a bloodied horse to lead the battles. These are all metaphores. This is what I have learned from hearing from a world leader in Biblical Archeology(sp?). I can't remember his name right now.

    I am a Christian, a true "born again" Christian. However I understand, unlike most others who claim to be Christian on TV, that the Bible, is a book, not the "Word of God." To treat a book that way is too similar to the "Golden Calf", and is expressly forbidden by my God. Don't get me wrong, it is a great teaching tool, and a very effective way to lead you to the path of Christ, but it is not "Holy." The only thing I recoginize as Holy, is God (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost), nothing else!

    As for the Pledge contriversy:
    It is true, at least as far as I can tell, that the 1954 Congressional bill to add the words: "Under God" was unconstitutional. However I think it was wrong to ban the use, or reciting the Pledge in those 9 states.
     
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    Re: Revelations

    Can you imagine how cool it would be though if Jesus came back on a bloodied horse? Just imagine waking up one morning to a black sky and rivers of blood and exclusive live coverage of Jesus riding his horse on CNN. It would be, like, bigger than a Beatles reunion, with John and George back from the dead...
     
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    You know, I could see it happening, but it would be an iron horse... Having him ride down on a blood red tricked out Harley... :D
     
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    you are conceptualy correct alpha.


    its known to most theologians ...and its my belief as well... that Jesus is going to come back as a warrior.... like a lion. his first entrance was as a lamb....next it will be like a lion with fire etc. etc. you get the point.
     
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    Re: Revelations






    there are many sides to the literal or symbolic meaning of the bible. i think its both...but i cannot begin to tell who some details only concepts because im mainly a conceptual understanding person.
    i think armegeddon is not a war....but is more like the area in which the enemies will gather to destroy Isreal...thats the real armegeddon... i beleive.

    we are seeing the begining of it now i guess. ...somethings happening. the bible does for sure talk about how all these countries will rise up against Isreal/Jerusalem. we see it now how there are a lot of people vehemetly against Isreal and call for its destruction.
     
  24. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    i am an engineer and a christian so i have a unique perspective

    time is realtive...see einstein

    when jesus got crucified, he said he would be back...two days later he was, then he left the earth plane again but said he would be back

    in the grand scheme of things that could be two days later or two hundred thousand years later...it does not matter to jesus, god of the universe

    time is not a barrier to jesus as he proclaimed, "before abraham was, i am" stating that he has command over space and time (the contiuum) and that the code of "i am" means that he is messiah and god

    jesus will come when he wants and no fundamentalist or jehovah witness will ever be able to second guess christ...the bible specifically says that christians should not waste their time saying that he is coming here or coming then or there...etc

    if god wanted to come yesterday, he can since time is his to command...i know this sounds esoteric, but look into einstein and it will all make sense
     
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    great respnose jethatfield.


    yeah... to God 1000 years is like a day.

    this concept is exactly what einstein hit upon.

    i know no one can know exactly when Jesus is comming back.. the day or the hour etc. etc. but he did give us signs to know when its near. we can know for sure but we can know how close we are i guess.
     

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