Top Gun Homosexuality

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by iGav, Aug 27, 2006.

  1. macrumors G3

    Mar 9, 2002
    Quentin Tarentino explains how "Top Gun" is really about a man's struggle with his own homosexuality.

    :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

    You can be my wingman

    Note: Contains serious amounts of profanity. ;) :D
  2. macrumors P6


    Jun 4, 2003
    Yeah, I've seen this before, it's pretty funny. One of my friends actually analyzed Top Gun in one of his film school classes and the same discussions were brought up. :D
  3. Guest


    May 26, 2004
    Randy's House
  4. macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location
    Tom Cruise even comes across as being gay in his more manly movies. The only way it could get more gay is if they started slapping each other's asses in the shower, which may have actually happened in the movie. Haven't seen it in awhile. ;)
  5. macrumors regular

    Jan 26, 2004
  6. macrumors 68000


    Mar 7, 2006
    Haha, Top Gun is on Sky Two at the moment. Who else is watching it??
  7. macrumors 68040


    Aug 7, 2005
    Up the irons
  8. macrumors regular

    Sep 22, 2006
    So Cal
    i love tarentino. if you guys keep up with his movies, you'll notice that he always does some kind of analysis of pop cuture figures, icons etc. And they're pretty intuitive too. some examples;

    Pulp Fiction: Quarter-pound burgers
    Reservoir Dogs: Madonna's "Like a Virgin"
    Kill Bill: Superman vs. Clark Kent

    yeah, i'm definately a fan. :D
  9. Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    I never figured out why that got into the movie. Maybe, it just wasn't interesting enough with only shower scenes. :D :p

    This video does bring up some interesting points. I always wondered why Kelly McGillis dressed down in only one scene. She didn't even seem incredibly important in the storyline but seemed to be added on when the movie was judged to be too manly. ;)
  10. macrumors G3


    Mar 20, 2003
    San Francisco
    Quentin Tarentino is an utterly talentless hack who thinks that adding a lot of violence and brutality to a movie makes it deep. I absolutely cannot understand why anyone thinks this guy has anything meaningful to say (about Top Gun or in general).
  11. macrumors 68040


    Jan 14, 2002

    well, he makes movies, and you don't.
  12. macrumors 68020


    Sep 3, 2004
    London, UK
    Yeah, I don't care for his movies at all either.
  13. Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    I wouldn't call that a good argument. There are a lot of people who aren't all that talented making movies and most of them have more fans than Tarentino.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, eh?
  14. macrumors 68020


    Dec 17, 2002
    Michael Bay and Tony Scott make movies too, but they don't have anything to tell us. The fact that someone makes feature films that we can see is only a sign that someone out there thought they could make money from releasing it.

    Although I've liked most of Tarantino's movies, I don't think it's because he has much to say. Most of his entertainment is in references to pop culture, especially violence, movies, and other entertainment. He's not telling us much about the nature of man or anything deep like that, but then again, few people are.
  15. macrumors 65816


    May 31, 2006
    New York

    My major is Film Production, and it's a shame being in classes with other people who think Tarantino is the greatest person to ever make films. I suppose it benefits me, because these people want to make student films filled with violence/drugs, and I know some of the professors hate cliche student films like that.
  16. macrumors 68040


    Jan 14, 2002

    you know you cant just go a make a movie and have it be good or even coherent. Directing a movie is a grueling process, and in the end having something that resembles art is an achievement. Talent or not, just to finish 120 minute film is no easy task.

    He may not be my favorite director but whether we like it or not, QT will go down in film history as a genre breaking/defining director.

    I'm just saying you have to give the guy his props.
  17. macrumors 68040


    Jan 14, 2002

    i think cliche is the point. its about pushing the cliche to where it becomes more than cliche. synergy.
  18. macrumors 68040


    Nov 27, 2003
    Top Gun had its day. Since the 80s there has been a gradual move towards reality and away from fantasy. Away from escapism. (Good example: last night I watched Christian Slater and the adorable Selma Blair in The Deal :(.) But escapism is the whole reason I watch a movie. I get reality every day. Top Gun will have its day again, I reckon, when things go full circle.

    As for QT, well, he has a thread all about him on MR. Why? Because the guy stands out. Like him or loathe him, he's original, he's known, his movies are different, and therefore I would say he's qualified to be called successful. As for his movies, they're a bit of a guilty pleasure for me: I enjoyed most of them, but there shouldn't be (such realistic) violence on the screen IMHO.
  19. Ugg
    macrumors 68000


    Apr 7, 2003
    Nah, he was too focused on gratuitous violence to ever be a great film maker, he's definitely a part of the 90s but not someone who broke any new ground.
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    Jul 1, 2003
    I don't know if I should laugh or cry at that. I loved Pulp Fiction, but I'm lukewarm about his Kill Bill series. IMO, he hasn't evolved much and to say he's ground breaking? I dunno. He's good...but I would hesitate greatly to say he's defining or ground-breaking.
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    Mar 4, 2004
    I remember seeing an interview on the BBC shortly after Reservoir Dogs came out, so that was about '93. He came across as a pompous didn't help that I wasn't nuts about his movie either. I think it was in a roundtable forum, but the memory is pretty vague – other than I disliked him immediately.
  22. macrumors 65816


    Aug 1, 2000
    Los Angeles, CA
    he is histerical.

    QT is really the guy who loves movies and comes up with tons of theories like that. Hell is thoughts on Top Gun are very valid. funny video.
  23. macrumors 68000


    Aug 13, 2003
    the faraway towns
    What's interesting about QT is how little attention is paid to Jackie Brown, which I think is a wonderful display of characterization and dialogue, especially in the scenes between Pam Grier and Robert Forster.

    Even Kill Bill, especially the later moments, has a complex sense of tension, grief, and relief. The best scenes of Kill Bill are when the action slows, when Lucy Liu's character realizes she's met her match, and the camera pans wide and shows the water fountain move setting the timing of the final battle, or when Bill espouses his Clark Kent/Superman theory.
    Those are great cinematic scenes.

    QT isn't the world greatest director, but he'll be as important to the cannon of film-making as Sam Peckinpah.
  24. macrumors 68030


    Jan 8, 2005
    On the moon.

    He has one HUGE chin too. That chin must get to places 5 minutes before he does. :D
  25. macrumors 65816


    Oct 6, 2005
    Tarantino a hack? No. Certainly not. I wouldn't put any of his films among the best ever made (though Pulp Fiction is arguably one of the most influential), but he does create lively characters and memorable dialogue, and perhaps most importantly he's very good at casting. Samuel L. Jackson, Robert Forster, Steve Buscemi, Harvey Keitel, and Michael Madsen all have given really compelling performances in Tarantino's films.

    As for "breaking new ground," I suppose that's a matter of opinion, though I wouldn't necessarily say it's a prerequisite for greatness. I wouldn't call Spielberg a really ground-breaking director, but you certainly can't argue the fact that, as directors go, he's one of the best (maybe the best) of his generation.

    and just as an aside: George Lucas has done things that no one before him had ever done, and in many ways he has revolutionized the industry, though I don't consider him to be a really great director.

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