Toshiba Creates World's Smallest Hard Drive

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001
    NikkeiBP reports that Toshiba has developed the"world's smallest hard-disk drive" at 0.85 inches in diameter.

    Previously, Hitatchi's 1-inch hard drive held the record. The upcoming Toshiba drive will have a storage capacity of 2-3GB and is expected to cost around 30,000 yen (~$278 US dollars) initially, but dropping down to 10,000 (~$92) yen in a few years.

    The drive is also not expected to reach full production until early 2005. This, combined with the cost of each unit, seems to make this drive an unlikely candidate for the rumored "low end" iPods.
  2. gola macrumors member


    Sep 8, 2003
    bergen, norway
    too small for ipod use for many years still probably....
  3. coumerelli macrumors 6502

    Apr 7, 2003
    state of confusion.
    Wow pretty soon they'll be talking nm DRIVES, not just processors, huh?
  4. tyson12zoll macrumors member

    Aug 24, 2003
    IBM microdrives don't count? Or are they bigger?
  5. pcharles macrumors regular

    Feb 5, 2003
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula
    Why do we want this hard drive?

    It is not clear to me at the moment what purpose a hard drive of this size will serve when it is already out-gunned by smaller and soon to be cheaper flash drives.

    No moving parts has to be better, so I think Apple should look to Flash for an ultralight iPOD.
  6. AirUncleP macrumors regular

    Dec 19, 2002
    Honey I shrunk the iPod

    Smaller drives equals smaller iPods. I know some might say, " How much smaller does it need to be?" Answer: Build it and they will come.
  7. Photorun macrumors 65816


    Sep 1, 2003
    Cool, 10,000 songs in your ear canal! Hope it comes with a remote!
  8. killmoms macrumors 68040


    Jun 23, 2003
    Washington, DC
    Let IBM finish their work on molecular semi-conductors and soon the Apple iPod will be capable of carrying "10,000 years of human knowledge in your pocket." :p

  9. reyesmac macrumors 6502


    Jul 17, 2002
    Central Texas
    Cool, in about 5 years the iPod will truly become a consumer (under $100) product ushering in a ..... oh yeah, by then, nobody will care.

    I think they will have figured out a way to make the thing cheaper by then anyway. I say by next christmas.
  10. achmafooma macrumors regular

    Oct 14, 2002
    Northern Virginia
    I was wondering about this... aren't the IBM Microdrives actual hard drives, in a casing about the same size as a compact flash card? That's a lot smaller than 1".

    Haven't heard much about them lately though... and never paid much attention to them when I used to see & hear talk about them.

    I'm probably missing some very important point about why the Microdrives are in a different category :) but this sprung to mind when I saw the "world's smallest hard drive" statement.
  11. arn macrumors god


    Staff Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    If I recall correctly...Hiatchi bought the IBM Microdrive technology. They (the microdrives) are the 1" drives referenced in the article. So, these new toshiba drives are smaller.

  12. ITR 81 macrumors 65816

    Oct 24, 2003
    The problem I have with this rumor is the date. Most rumors site 04' as being the yr Toshiba releases this HD.

    Also it's highly likely if Apple did buy million or so or HD's it got a price around $90 or less per iPod.
  13. arn macrumors god


    Staff Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    All the rumors don't have to be referencing this particular drive.

  14. uv23 macrumors 6502

    Nov 16, 2003
    Calgary, AB
    Re: Why do we want this hard drive?

    My thoughts exactly. When you're talking about such small storage capacity I honestly don't see the point. A solid state solution with no moving parts is superior in every respect. C'mon, lets see those 20gb flash cards.
  15. achmafooma macrumors regular

    Oct 14, 2002
    Northern Virginia
    That would explain it! Thanks for the info, Arn... informative as always!
  16. stingerman macrumors 6502

    Jul 6, 2003
    If iPod sales hit a million/month. Apple will not jeopardize the product by significantly changing the pricing or the design.

    I have a feeling iPod sales will break a million this quarter.
  17. nighthawk macrumors regular

    Jan 3, 2003
    The 1" IBM Microdrive (now Hiatchi) comes in 170mb, 340mb, 512mb, 1GB, 2GB, and 4GB sizes.

    I have been thinking about getting the 1GB one for my digital camera - which is street price $150. There is also a competitor to Hiatchi who produces a larger drive - the MagicStor 2.2GB Microdrive which is going for about $199 street price.

    Either way, the Microdrive is already cheaper and faster than Compact Flash.

    While this news about Toshiba is good, and eventually means that the Microdrive format will go down considerably, it is almost irrelvant. Toshiba is not even going to start shipping samples to manufactures until SUMMER 2004.

    If Apple does release a mini-iPod this January, I think that it would have a Compact Flash Type I & II slot to allow flexible (and upgradable) user defined sizes. It could ship with a 340mb or larger Microdrive.

    I found this retailer selling the 340 mb for $50, so it is possible could get a better price for them:

    At $50, that is cheaper than the brand name 256 Flash which is being sold for $70 at most retail stores and online.

    At this price, Apple could sell the mini-iPod starting at around $175. However, I think if Apple was intending to release this particular product, they would have done it *before* Christmas to get all of the holiday shoppers.

    If they do release it by January, Toshibas sub-one-inch drives will *not* be included, but they could be added as an upgrade for the future.
  18. Abstract macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location Location
    Only 2-3 GB?!! So basically, this article is telling us that Hitachi has managed to build a small harddrive with a smaller carrying capacity. What's the point? Wasn't that common sense anyway?

    Maybe Hitachi should "develop" a 0.4" HD, but with a capacity of 500MB. Sweet!!
  19. warcraftmaster macrumors regular

    Dec 5, 2003
    what is up wit you guys and gay flash it SUCKS tthat is all to it it cost 1000 doller for there best there slow as hell
    my ipod does like 2 song a sec in to it
    flash does 2 song a damm min
    plus they can only be used 1 million times
    that my sound like a lots but it not. i will still be using my in a years from now
  20. Hemingray macrumors 68030


    Jan 9, 2002
    Ha ha haaa!
  21. pcharles macrumors regular

    Feb 5, 2003
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula
    Could someone please translate this into English?

  22. edStar macrumors member

    Jul 5, 2003
    Brisbane, Australia
    I think he hates flash. I'm not sure...

    I agree with most of the comments that this is sort of a frugal innovation. But, I'll probably eat my hat when they find some fantastic way to integrate it into a product.
  23. Raid macrumors 68020


    Feb 18, 2003
    Re: Honey I shrunk the iPod

    I don't know about building the iPod smaller, IMHO it's plenty small as it is. How about cramming more battery in there?
  24. pcharles macrumors regular

    Feb 5, 2003
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula
    Re: Re: Honey I shrunk the iPod

    Most definitely. If they can make the drive smaller and the battery better, I'd buy another. I have the 30GB now and have over 60GB of music. In the end, I really cant listen to all 60GB, so I am questioning the logic of larger drives without extra battery.

    My ideal would be 10-20 GB of storage and at least 24 hours of battery. That way a trip to Australia would be possible.

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