Ubuntu 7.04 beta feisty

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  1. clevin macrumors G3

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    codename Feisty. Ubuntu 7.04 includes some very interesting stuff.

    1. windows migrating assistant

    2. auto download of media codec when open media files, this is a big complain from many new users, and in 7.04, it was almost totally solved, mp3, aac, xvid, divx, wmv, etc, etc all played well. (almost, means commercial DVD playback still is a little bit tricky for new users.)

    3. desktop effects, final release probably will only includes wobbly windows and 3D cube virtual desktops. But Beryl is already in Ubuntu's repositories, so its very easy to get 3D effects on very basic video settings, (works well on my Mobile Radeon 7500 with 32MB VRAM)(so far, its leading among all OSes). as described in this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NoF8_Ivdq1c

    This screenshot is my actual setup, for other effects and official pics, read my follow up posts below:
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    I played with it for almost a day so far, its very well build. Whoever interested can download *.iso file from http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ Its a LiveCD, means system can be run from CD without any affect on your original System, of course, to install Beryl, U need to install it.

    Also, the final release will be in mid April, at which users can goto their store and order CDs for free (completely free, no shipping cost at all.)
     
  2. dpaanlka macrumors 601

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    1 and 2 are hot features. Especially 2. If I was using a PC, I'd probably be using this.
     
  3. yg17 macrumors G5

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    any good step by step instructions on installing this on an external drive with a bootcamped Vista install? I really want to try this out
     
  4. clevin thread starter macrumors G3

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    I have yet to find any clue of linux/windows/OSX 3 booting machine, which might be because I didn't pay enough attention.

    The thing about this is it needs to write grub on internal disk so it can create a bootloader. I don't know how it will be done. I will do some research tho.

    here

    http://ask.metafilter.com/53694/Installing-Linux-on-my-Macs-external-hard-drive
    there are several interesting links in the "comments", check them out. (they are all pretty outdated tho)
     
  5. localoid macrumors 68020

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    You need to use: rEFIt on Mac Intel machines ~ Googled

    See, for example: triple booting via Boot Camp
     
  6. clevin thread starter macrumors G3

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    thanks for the links

    Here, I want to further emphasis the 3D effects in Ubuntu 7.04.

    Compiz/Beryl said to be run "acceptable" with 256MB system RAM. and It runs smooth on my 32MB VRAM 7500 and 512MB system memory, with P4 1.8m.

    Ubuntu 7.04 so far has Compiz built in and can be enabled from system menu, very easy. But there are only 2 options available through Ubuntu's GUI: wobbly windows, and desktops on a cube.

    It works like this
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    At the same time Ubuntu's repositories also has Beryl. (Just open Synaptic Package Manager, and search for Beryl). Users can access more 3D eye candies from Beryl Setting manager. Beryl is generally regarded as less stable than Compiz, but recently they were working hard to polish code and License issues, furthermore, it was announced that Compiz and Beryl team would re-merge with each other (Beryl was a fork of Compiz, separated last year), which is a great news.

    These are screenshots from Beryl-project.org (I have no idea and don't have any confidence that the effects shown below would be exclusive to Beryl)
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  7. dpaanlka macrumors 601

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    From what I've seen Beryl is just overkill. I think there was a thread or something on it before.

    My eyes start to hurt when every single action results in some sort of twirling jiggling swirling twisting melting swooping response.

    Like a child who just discovered a new toy and plays the hell out of it until it isn't fun anymore.
     
  8. clevin thread starter macrumors G3

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    oh, yeah, I am sure there are different user groups out there. Some like more 3Ds, some would prefer less, and Beryl does offer a comprehensive settings, be default, it only works with comparable tricks as Windows Vista and OSX (taskbar thumbnail, expose, max/minimum effects etc), with further functions (transparent 3D cube, zoom in area of desktop, etc, etc) being accessible to users who would like to explore it.

    Also, Ubuntu by default does not have Beryl installed. It has a simplified Compiz GUI offering users 2 simple 3D functions (window effect and 3D cube).

    As I have been using it for around 2 days, the day-to-day use isn't much different from winodws/OSX, with 3D effects for comparable amount of operations as Vista/(probably Leopard). of course, its much more real 3D than Vista for sure, coz I happened to have a Vista machine (belongs to my roommate) here, and I can do comparison betwwen all 3 OSes, :)
     
  9. AppleGuy08 macrumors 6502

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    ive got the fiesty beta running on my windows laptop right now. I installed it using WUBI, so when i boot my computer up it asks me which OS i want to boot. I have vista on my PC, and i had it on my laptop as well, but i had to put on XP because WUBI doesnt work with vista yet. I made an ISO disk with toast 8 of the Fiesty iso file, but it wont let me boot from the disk on the laptop or the PC, so i had to use WUBI. Is there something im doing wrong?

    Also, im having a hell of a time connecting to my wifi. Ive got a compatible built in dell wifi card and it sees my network but it wont connect. the ehternet line works fine though.
     
  10. clevin thread starter macrumors G3

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    im sorry, what is WUBI?
     
  11. nateDEEZY macrumors 6502a

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    This definitely looks like something worth checking out :)

    Thanks!
     
  12. AppleGuy08 macrumors 6502

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    oh im sorry. WUBI is a little program released by the people who make all this ubuntu stuff. It allows you to run linux without having to erase all your windows stuff. Heres a link. WUBI

    Im also trying to find a good link to download beryl. argh
     
  13. clevin thread starter macrumors G3

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    Im sorry, I never used that, If its a VM style app, it will prevent Ubuntu from accessing the hardware like wireless card or video card (thus beryl might not be able to run under that neither).

    My suggestion is boot your machine with Ubuntu LiveCD, it will NOT affect your computer at all, but u will be able to test and see if Ubuntu is compatible with your wireless card, only when You feel u like it, u can think next step if you want to install it.
     
  14. vniow macrumors G4

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    Its not a VM solution, its more similar to how BeOS worked when you installed it from Windows. It installs Ubuntu to a file on your Windows drive.

    More here: http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/faq.html
     
  15. clevin thread starter macrumors G3

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    im just not sure it Ubuntu will be able to access hardwares uner WUBI, best way to test this is to use LivdCD.
     
  16. wmmk macrumors 68020

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    Can you do this stuff in kubuntu? I've always preferred KDE over Gnome.
     
  17. vniow macrumors G4

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    Yep.
     
  18. clevin thread starter macrumors G3

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    yes, Beryl always bragging about its independence from Gnome.:D
     
  19. patrick0brien macrumors 68040

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    -All

    I'm running Parallels - anybody have luck installing this in a VM?
     
  20. clevin thread starter macrumors G3

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    i tried Parallels before with Ubuntu, im not sure if it can run it fairly, but one thing i can be sure is:

    Beryl will not run on VM, coz it will not be able to access graphic card.
     
  21. patrick0brien macrumors 68040

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    -clevin

    Yes, sorry I wasn't more clear - anybody running 7.04 w/o Beryl in a VM?
     
  22. hvfsl macrumors 68000

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    I didn't realise it would run on older hardware like that (for some reason I got the idea it needed at least a DX8 type card). I have a similar laptop which I use to try out Linux on (2Ghz P4M and Geforce 2Go), so will probably give it a go. :D
     
  23. AppleGuy08 macrumors 6502

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    Ah alright, after about an hour of searching over at the ubuntu forums I found answers to my problems. My wifi is working and beryl is installed and running perfectly. yay!
     
  24. AppleGuy08 macrumors 6502

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    oh yah, i have one question here clevin, ive been messing around with the cube settings for a while now, and i cant figure out how to get it all 3d like you have in your screen shot. is i possible for you to take a screenshot of your setting box so i can see what i have set wrong? thanks.
     
  25. nateDEEZY macrumors 6502a

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    As ubuntu is installing right now on my iMac, i'm praying to god i did it right and didn't wipe out os x :D

    I'm almost 75% sure I didn't. At this moment it's 47% done installing system. :p

    Update: I'm back on OS X :D So obviously that means I didn't wipe it out :p Now all I need to do is find all the drivers for the 24" iMac
     

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