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UK iPhone sales fall short

Discussion in 'MacBytes.com News Discussion' started by MacBytes, Jan 20, 2008.

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  2. macrumors 6502


    I'll be honest, I love my iPhone and when people realise u have one, they are desperate to see it.... But at then end of the day most people don't want 2 go on a contract or perhaps don't want to be with O2.

    Another funny thing is the amount of stupid rumours surrounding the device:

    "wow an iPhone! Shame they don't have a camera though, hey wait, what's that on the back!?" or...

    "iPhone's are cool but it hasn't even got Bluetooth..."
  3. macrumors regular

    How's the Edge coverage in Bournemouth?

    I'd love an iPhone, I don't really want a contract but that's not the deal breaker.

    Living in the South West, I have no chance of Edge through O2. Their coverage is appalling. I was in Bristol (largish city by UK standards) and my nephew's iPhone couldn't raise Edge even in the city centre. We did luck into a bit of free WiFi but it was only in one spot. Overall the experience was very frustrating. I know it's down to O2 rather than Apples fault but they'll get the blame.

    IF Orange had got the deal, I'd have an iPhone by now.

    O2 can't tell me when I'm likely to get decent data coverage (if at all).

    I said in a previous post that I know of two people that have abandoned iPhone for their old phones. The reply I got was "two people, woah Apple will be really scared!". Maybe not, but I only know 5 people with iPhones, that's down to 3 now. 40% down on 6 weeks ago. Shouldn't the graph be going the other way?
  4. jnc
    macrumors 68020


    My brother works at o2 - only things stopping me from having an iPhone now are the rather ridiculous tariffs and the fact I entered an 18 month Nokia N95 contract last April. Also I really, like my number - I've had it 10 years! :D I wish the iPhone was available on T-Mobile.

    I live in Birmingham and Sheffield. 2nd and 7th biggest cities in the UK. I should have no trouble with coverage!
  5. macrumors G3

    I'd argue it's solely Apple's fault... they were quite aware they were saddling up with the worst network in the country.

    Of course that pales in comparison to launching a product that isn't truly supported outside of... America.
  6. macrumors 68020


    I have to say that I really hope that this is true and not just spin.

    Apple & O2 need a kick in the arse to sort out the extortionate contract pricing. I'd say current prices are fine if the phone was free or if you have to pay for the handset you shouldn't have to be paying for it again in the contract fees.

    I'm just grumpy because I want one! :eek:
  7. jnc
    macrumors 68020


    No, you're spot on. When I was telling people about the tariffs STARTING at £35, they winced. When I mentioned the £269 unit price they just started laughing.
  8. macrumors newbie

    we'll get the last laugh when those same people end up adopting.

    i've found that most people who insult the iphone typically have no hands on experience with it or just can't afford it (which is the case above).
  9. macrumors 68020


    If you are referring to me, it is not about affording an iPhone - it's that I don't feel it is value for money currently.

    People are naturally defensive about products they have bought but I don't think people are "insulting" the iPhone by saying O2's pricing plan for it isn't very competetive.

    I will be getting an iPhone after it gets 3G but I don't see why anybody would get the "last laugh" out of me, or anybody else who has dared question the pricing strategy, buying one.
  10. macrumors 6502a

    Manic Mouse

    There's a huge difference between being able to afford something and thinking somethings good value for money. I can easily afford the iPhone, but it's still a rip-off.

    "People who complain about iPhone prices can't afford one"

    This argument makes me sick. It's arrogant, offensive and also plain wrong.

    The iPhone (in the UK) is a rip-off, regardless whether you can afford it or not.

    "People who think wiping one's arse with money is a waste simply can't afford it!"- Just as valid as argument!
  11. jnc
    macrumors 68020


    Ha... except, no. You're talking out of your arse. You can't have any idea of the European phone market:

    Prada Phone - FREE

    600 mins included each month
    500 Text included each month
    £35 per month, 18 months

    LG Viewty - FREE

    18 month contract length
    400 minutes per month
    500 texts per month
    but! £15 for first 8 months instead of £30

    and for comparison, iPhone... £269

    18 months
    600 mins
    500 texts

    -- WEAK.

    These are FREE touchscreen phones with £35 or less tariffs. It's incredibly easy to completely disregard the iPhone.

    It's not that people can't afford iPhones, they just do not represent any sort of value in this market... yet. Let's see what iPhone 2 will bring.

    Unless you don't mind paying "£269 for the "look at me" factor your money is better spent elsewhere.
  12. macrumors 68020


    That's sigworthy
  13. macrumors 68040


    i totally second that.

    luckily i wasn't drinking anything or else my screen would have suffered...
  14. macrumors 68040


    I would really like and iPhone. I'll probably be even more tempted after Feb. But the contract is just silly. £35 is a big outlay.
  15. macrumors 68020


    I'm curious. I didn't want an iPhone because I just don't use a phone all that much. But I do use the Net a lot, so I got a Touch. Now that I'm hooked on the Touch, I'm wishing I did get an iPhone just to have access to the Net without having to be near WiFi. It's just not worth $60 a month to me, though....

    I would hope that Apple would realize if their pricing is too high. But just curious: all you MacRumors members in the U.K., do you think the iPhone would have been a bigger hit there if the price of the phone were lower, or if the price of the tariffs were lower? The main complaint seems to be about getting hit twice (by Apple and O2). Which cost drop would be more important to you? (For me here in the U.S., it's definitely the AT&T cost that's stopping me.)
  16. macrumors regular

    I have to say, I appear to have different gripes than most people who post on this subject. Although I may not like the cost of the phone or the tariffs, I would be prepared to pay them IF I could get (as you say) mobile internet without being near WiFi.

    My problem is solely with the O2 EDGE coverage i.e. it doesn't work anywhere I would frequently use an iPhone so for me it is a "crippled" device and I'm not prepared to pay very much for something that I'd find frustrating to use knowing what it would be capable of if only Apple had chosen a different partner than O2.

    I feel very irritated by all this as my wife and I decided to get iPhones when they were announced. When we discovered that O2 EDGE coverage was so dismal (and unlikely to move out of the major cities in the next few years) we felt let down and frustrated. I daren't look to see what O2 3G coverage is like in our area as I suspect we don't get a fair shake of that either.

    Sorry to be so down on all this but I'm still trying to come to terms with it ;-)
  17. macrumors member

    The main reason for me and most of those I know who were initially keen to get the iPhone and haven't is having to be tied to one operator (the fact that it is O2 makes it even worse).

    The fact that it is not 3G is also a big downside and when both of these defects are added to the unreasonable cost of the whole package then there is only one way most sensible people will go.

    Having said all that I really am glad that there are early adopters who are willing to pay top bucks for a testbed product so that when the proper one is released all the shortcomings will be rectified.:D
  18. macrumors 65816


    Don't you also get unlimited Data with this like here in the USA ?
  19. macrumors 68020

    Does the Prada include unlimited data?

    And the iPhone is definitely worth £269 more than the Prada over 18 months. It is light years ahead of it. Only an idiot would put them in the same category due to them being both touch screen. Its like saying a BMW 3 series is in the same category as a Mondeo because they all have 4 wheels and an engine.

    Can you sync the Prada with iTunes? My iCal+Address Book? My iPhoto? My bookmarks? Does it come with 8GB of flash built in? Can it even do javascript? Will it allow me to take my podcasts with me automatically, marking them as "read" as I play them, telling iTunes to go get the latest episode? Does it come with a multitouch screen? Does it come with a 600mhz+ processor with 128MB of RAM? Does it even have 128MB of flash memory for storage on board? LOL. Does it come with a high resolution, 160PPI screen? Can I buy DRM free music OTA with it and have it automatically sync back with my music library when I dock? Will it sync my Mail settings?

    I'd also be very surprised if the Prada phone sold 200,000 units in its first two months in the UK. The Prada phone has sold around 700,000 worldwide since May, despite it being unlocked in all territories. The iPhone has sold 4m in 4 countries since June.

    To sum up, your argument is a complete non argument.
  20. jnc
    macrumors 68020


    Oh, you sure showed me. Exactly people give a sh*t about ANY of the things you mentioned? To break it down, the broad public see, "touch screen phone". No one but nerds on boards like ours could care any less about the other features.

    To be honest I didn't read half of what you wrote but I'm sure it said something like the same old "blah blah, visual voicemail, multi touch ... you can't get these amazing features anywhere else". Please try and understand - No one cares.

    To repeat - the broad public (where the money's at) see "hmm.... a selection of touch screen phones - free, free, £269 ... I'll take a free one. Kthx"

    Unreserved Apple fanboy sees "OMG iPod + Phone? MULTI-TOUCH? £269! HOW CAN I LOSE!!!"
  21. macrumors 68020


    If you actually read the post, you would see that the iPhone has already outsold the Prada, by a considerable margin, despite the price. iPhone in UK alone, in 2 months ~200,000 units. Prada worldwide, in 8 months, just short of 700,000 units.

    Your point is therefore completely moot.
  22. jnc
    macrumors 68020


    That's not such a big thing anymore - nearly every phone offers it. noted that iPhone does have the free wifi as well. The Viewty's 3G though.

    Anyway I think what's more pressing here is amount of minutes and texts offered - 200 minutes and 200 texts on the base iPhone tariff of £35 is obscene. Visual voicemail and unlimited data don't save that...
  23. jnc
    macrumors 68020


    OP's article says 190,000. The LG Prada phone, which doesn't have iBrandstrength anyway, isn't the only touchscreen competition I mentioned - Viewty sales in the UK were reported at over 300,000 and that was a month ago.

    Stop failing. :D
  24. macrumors 68020


    Haven't read thread all the way through but i personally think that the price is way to high £899 for the first year (Includes price of iPhone). Also many people don't want a non 3G mobile/cell phone as GRPS is crap over here 3G is the norm now.

    Just my 2¢
  25. macrumors member


    Unlimited data? No, but then - it's a phone playing at being a phone rather than an iPod playing at being a phone.

    All those other features? I doubt the Prada has most of the things you mentioned. Again, it's a phone. If it will send and receive calls and text messages, then it has done it's job. For me, and probably a lot of other users in the UK, all that other stuff is just a bonus. The iPhone is undoubtedly worth the £269 price tag, but what the other poster was saying was that the UK market has set itself up on the concept of "Pay for the line and call costs, and you get the device for free". The iPhone is bucking that trend, and as a result it is pricing itself out of the mass market.

    This is just my opinion, and you are welcome to disagree if you wish. It won't stop you being wrong, though. ;)

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