I just ordered a Dual 1.8 out of the refurb section this morning for $1500. Shortly after I called Apple up and asking about getting Tiger tossed in since I just placed the order and he said ok until I mentioned it was from the refurb section. He then said refurbs wont get the up-to-date program. True? I just went to the site and printed out the up-to-date program. Requirements: Must be purchased after April 12, 2005 and the computer does not currently come with Tiger. So the date of purchase and the computer marketing part number to check and see if it qualifies for the program. Would this marketing part number even tell if it is a refurb? I dont see how they could tell the difference. Qualifying 1.8 PM computers: M9454LL/A Z0AA PowerMac G5 1.8GHz M9555LL/A Z0AN PowerMac G5 1.8GHz Thanks for any help. I figure I am just going to fax over the form and see what happens.