Upgrading My Sawtooth for Gaming

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  1. Patmian212 macrumors 68020

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    Hey all,
    Yesterday I acquired a sawtooth for real cheap.
    This is what the sawtooth looks like now.
    G4@500mhz
    896MB SD RAM
    160GB ATA 7200rpm
    16MB Rage Pro

    Now I want to upgrade this to do some moderate gaming(WoW, Football Manager, Unreal Tournament 2004). So I have 2 questions.

    1. Ok so I was thinking of getting a processor upgrade but I have a low budget. What do you all think of this one http://eshop.macsales.com/item/PowerLogix/PF47S1600AG/ ?

    2. How would my sawtooth with the above proccessor upgrade and a newer lets say Radeon 9600 or 8500 64mb compare to playing WoW with my:

    12"ibook
    1,2ghz G4
    768 MB DDR Ram
    30gb 4200rpm
    Radeon 9200 Mobility 32mb

    Now the iBook has a faster bus and faster ram but the sawtooth has more ram and more processing power and has a faster GFX card(but in a 2X AGP slot), which would get more FPS?
     
  2. eXan macrumors 601

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    Get radeon 9800, it will last longer. 1.6 GHz CPU should be fine, but getting something faster would be a better option (maybe get ether dual or 1.8/2)
     
  3. Patmian212 thread starter macrumors 68020

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    The only 2 processors I can afford is either this 1.6ghz with 512k l2 cache or a 1.4 with a 2mb l3 cache. Which would be better for gaming and will this system still be too slow to run most new games out today decently at medium settings?
     
  4. TDM21 macrumors 6502a

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    The cache will make a big improvement in just about everything. Between those to choices of processors I say get the 1.4 because it will probably out preform the 1.6.
     
  5. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    I still think there isnt nothing like a clock cycle, TDM21 does make a valid point though. Im sure in real world test some games will do better with the 1.4 and some with the 1.6 Let price decide but either of those mated to a 9600 or better should do very nice. My 1.4 with a geforce 3 wasnt bad but i would without a doubt go higher then a 8500. Nvidia has some good stuff,im very happy with my 6800GT.
     
  6. Demon Hunter macrumors 68020

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    A 9800 is probably overkill. The bus saturates too quickly.
     
  7. jamesi macrumors 6502a

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    hmmm i would say dont buy that. look for a dual 400 or so old G4 and get a dual 1.6 or so and then buy a 6600 GT PC and flash it to make. maybe its a 6800, i cant remember. that would give you a whole new computer.
     
  8. Patmian212 thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Well as bang for the buck goes I felt like this processor should do the trick. 1.6 isnt too slow so I just oredered it. Now all I need is a semi-decent(tight budget) 64MB+ graphics card. I also picked up another 128mb stick bringing my total to 1gb of ram.
     
  9. Demon Hunter macrumors 68020

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    I checked around, and I couldn't find any better for the CPU. If you flash the graphics card, you'll save a lot.

    ASUS N6600/TD/128 Geforce 6600 128MB DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail
     
  10. Patmian212 thread starter macrumors 68020

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  11. TDM21 macrumors 6502a

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    The people over at the StrangeDogs.com forums are leading the way in flashing video cards (http://strangedogs.proboards40.com/). You can look through there and see what they have to offer. I know they are selling flashed 6800s and 6600s in the $200-$300 range depending on what you want. You can also send a card of your own to them and get it flashed for a resonable price.
     
  12. Foxglove9 macrumors 65816

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    I upgraded my sawtooth to a 1 Ghz sonnet card and ATI 9800pro video card and Unreal 2004 was still barely playable on the lowest settings.

    Yet my new G5 1.8 Ghz (rev B) with the same 9800 video card plays Unreal 2K4 perfectly at the highest settings.
     
  13. eXan macrumors 601

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    Yes, UT2004 is very CPU-intensive, so of you have the fastest GPU and slow CPU, the game will sow down considerably.
     
  14. Patmian212 thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I think I should be fine with a 1.6Ghz and 1GB of ram. They should compensate for a slower bus.
     
  15. mo0805 macrumors member

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    the bus speed on the sawtooth g4 500 motherboard won't run any faster than 1,4 gHz, so there is no point in getting a 1,6.
     
  16. Patmian212 thread starter macrumors 68020

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    So why are the amking upgrades up to 2ghz then? Are you saying the extra 200mhz will have NO effect?
     
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  18. Patmian212 thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Hehehe, I dont get it, whats the point of running the app I didnt buy a dual CPU chip anyway.


    EDIT: My sawtooth is rev 3, doesnt support dual processors.
     
  19. Demon Hunter macrumors 68020

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    I had a similar experience with my (overclocked) 800 MHz and 9600 Pro.

    The untold suffering we endure to play games on our Macs... these future generations will never know! :mad:
     
  20. jhu macrumors 6502a

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    i hope you didn't get this just to play games
     
  21. disconap macrumors 68000

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    Where did you see the 1.4 w/ l3? I've been looking around for those for a few weeks now and haven't found any...
     
  22. Patmian212 thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Of course not, I got it mostly for my music production cuz my ibook is to uncomfortable to use for long periods of times because of the size. But I thought I can turn it into a PSUDO gaming machine for some WoW.

    The processor I found at OWC, its a powerlogix that costs $299(the one with the L3 cache)
     
  23. SC68Cal macrumors 68000

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    I'm in a similar situation actually. I've already picked up a Nvidia Geforce FX5200 with 256 MB ram. I'm worried that now what is going to hold me back is the fact that my processor is a dual 500mhz and it won't have enough oomph.
     
  24. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

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    In my experience, gaming on a G4 is an expensive proposition...

    My stock Digital Audio Dual 533 with a 32MB Radeon 7500 could barely play Halo and Call of Duty at the lowest settings. IMHO the following upgrades are must-haves for the would-be G4 gamer:

    - At least 1GB RAM, preferably 1.5 or 2GB, whatever your G4's max amount is.

    - A GeForce 5200/Radeon 9600 Pro or better (ideally a Radeon 9700/9800, X800XT, GeForce 6800GS/GT/Ultra or better). A GeForce4ti will give better performance than the 5200 in some games but does not support many newer features (like Core Image).

    - A fast hard drive with an appropriate PCI controller card, either Ultra ATA/133 or SATA. With the SATA controller you could buy a Western Digital Raptor hard drive for an added speed boost and brag factor, but either bus will noticably enhance performance.

    - If you are serious about trying to play games, a 1.4GHz (L3 cache) or 1.7 GHz (no L3 cache) CPU is the absolute minimum you should be shopping. Dual CPUs are of limited usefulness for gaming (except Quake 3), though they are great for ripping/encoding video etc. If you already have a 1GHz/1.25Ghz QS or MDD Mac, those might be OK for many games, but nothing slower will give acceptable performance.

    Doom 3, for instance, asks for a 1.5GHz CPU. My 1.4GHz runs it decently for casual gaming but don't expect to average 30FPS, even with a card like my GeForce6800GT - the FSB is just too slow.

    With the right mods a G4 can be a pretty passable gaming box but keep the following in mind - a cheap refurb G5 tower (usually a dual 1.8GHz) from the Apple Store costs around $1300, which is very close to the cost of all the upgrades I mentioned. And right out of the box it will equal all but the most heavily upgraded G4s, and with a few upgrades is faster than any G4. If you can at all afford one, get one.

    Still, for those of us who have a G4, there's definitely no reason to chuck it just yet.
     
  25. eXan macrumors 601

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    I agree with the G5 thing. You don't even have to buy dual processor machine to play games. If you can find a single 1.8 (rev. A or the 600 MHz-bus one) it would be awesome! Through in the X800 XT and you're ready for ride!
     

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