US Political split outgrows the voting booth

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    bradl

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    From Mark 12:31 of the Bible, English Standard Edition, and King James Edition, respectively:

    I caught this from the AP today, and to be honest, this worries me as much as the 2A issue we have going on. In short, A new survey from the Pew Research Center finds Americans are divided by ideology and partisanship not only when they cast ballots, but also in choosing where to live, where to get their news and with whom to associate. And peaceful coexistence is increasingly difficult.

    So, I guess that should be "'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these… unless your political ideologies are different."

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-political-split-outgrows-voting-booth
    If we can't live together despite our political differences, we have a much bigger issue going on in this country.

    BL.
     
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    It does seem that the U.S. culture has become increasingly polarized and polemical during the last couple of decades. Whatever the issue may be, the news talk-and-interview shows tend to frame every issue as a grand debate. Rarely are voices from the middle heard.

    Critical thinking has been replaced by black-and-white thinking, despite the fact that the real world is made of shades of grey. All-or-nothing and zero-sum mentality rule.
     
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    The more polarized he voting public becomes, the more likely they are to vote in firebrand politicians. Firebrand politicans tend not to compromise on anything. The end result will be a bunch of angry republicans and democrats staring at each other across the aisle, wishing they could make people drop dead with a stare.

    ...because these people aren't true Americans! They're gonna ruin the country with their backwards ideas. I have to stand firm to my convictions, and not budge an inch! My constituency is depending on me!

    Nothing will get done at the government level. Democrats can't do this thing because the republicans are blocking it, and the republicans can't do that thing because the democrats are filibustering it, and we have government shutdown after government shutdown after government shut down because no one can agree on anything.

    And that's the problem.
     
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    Okay.. how about a nationwide political version of Hatfields vs. McCoys. We can't stand to live near each other or next door to each other because our political ideologies are so polar opposite of each other…

    To the point where there is either major conflict in the neighborhood, or someone moves away to be with their own like/kind.

    That is not how you get along with each other, regardless of the neighborhood you live in. That is the problem.

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    And this thinking is part of the problem. There are too many that either don't think there is a problem or don't care there is a problem. I feel that we are coming very close to a big political and ideological atomic bomb going off. Not saying that there will be mass chaos or rioting in the streets but something big will happen that will change a lot of things. And quite frankly maybe that needs to happen. Get rid of this "oh there's not a problem with the system" mentality. Get folks to take off their blinders and really see what is going on not only in our country but the world. And maybe more social caring will happen.
     
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    I would tend to agree with you.

    Except a not-insignificant minority of people has chosen to accompany the phrase "Take Our Country Back" with the image of an assault rifle, rather than a election ballot (hanging chads and all..)

    If this phenomenon was limited to bumper stickers and t-shirts, it would be possible to overlook it as the sort of intemperate excess common to all political beliefs.

    But its not:

    The Tea Party - funded by Koch and other billionaire dollars and fanned by the incendiary hot air of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity - has created an atmosphere so toxic, and unwilling to compromise it is eating the Republican Party from the inside out.

    More concerning still, it views our President and the Democratic Party in general, not as loyal opposition with whom compromise and bargaining are possible (if not essential) - but instead as treacherous enemies, usurpers to be removed by any means possible - including at the point of a gun.

    More ironic still, many of these Tea Party scoundrels profess their "Christianity"

    Love Thy Neighbor, indeed.
     
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    Seen as an outsider.

    All the problems of America’s toxic political landscape can be traced back to the TWO party system. It's the winner takes all attitude, which also doesn't help, and only leads to feels of revenge/getting even at all costs.

    From that point on everything becomes , them vs us, right vs left, rich vs poor, there is no room for compromise.

    The party out of power does everything to block the party in power, even if this is bad for the country as a whole.

    Another point is the constant use of the word “WAR” in US policy, War on Drugs, War on poverty, War on Christmas, etc. This makes the whole discussion adversarial before the first word is spoken.
     
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    It's not an unusual problem these days. It's happening all over the Middle East. The divide in the US has a very "Sunni vs Shia" flavour to it.
     
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    That's the problem.
     
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    Demographics and reality will soon take care of this split. One side of the political spectrum seems to align itself with evidence-based policy, the other with willful ignorance and denial. The latter will simply disappear over time.
     
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    The word one is looking for is Balkanization.
     
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    Actually, the word I think you want is "Gerrymandering."

    If you think about, the deliberate creation of safe "Republican" or "Democratic" districts inevitably leads the incumbent to become more and more partisan in their voting record, and less interested in compromise and negotiation.

    Safe from a challenger from the opposing party, the incumbent then becomes vulnerable to primary challenger even more extreme in his position than he is. And so we have a race to the extremes of American political philosophy. And little chance of much bipartisan action on any matter - no matter how pressing it may be to the theoretical majority of the American electorate.
     
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    you guys have nice rose colored glasses.
    thanks to dems & repubs working together we got
    Patriot Act
    NSA
    NDAA
    never ending war.

    IF the democrats AND the republicans worked to represent the PEOPLE instead of CORPORATIONS, then yes I would love it if they came together. BOTH major crap houses need to be flushed down the toilet.
     
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    You stop it with that anti-American talk.
     
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    I don't agree. It is perfectly possible here to have friends on both sides of the political spectrum here because we largely avoid culture wars nonsense.

    It's the culture wars that make bipartisan friendships hard. Fundamentally if you are too socially liberal then social conservatives aren't going to be comfortable with you and vice versa.

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    Can't disagree.
     
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    [​IMG]

    No wonder... ;)
     
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    Might want to look back to May 25, 1787 and see deep schisms existed then. Long before modern gerrymandering.

    The issue now is the feds are more entrenched in state affairs, which makes the divide more pronounced because you have people Montana wondering why the hell nonsensical initiatives from Massachusetts are being rammed down their throat.

    And in the age of information your value system is attacked quicker and more frequently, so you'll more inclined to seek insulation "among your own".
     
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    Along the same lines as non-sensical abolition was forced on the South? This is not a personal attack, only highlighting why "States Rights" is not always better. It's like saying, it's our right to be prejudiced if the majority in our area feels this way. Of course IMO, those in charge of the Federal authority would have to be progressive for this to work. ;)
     
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    Sounds like present day Syria and Iraq
     
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    Funny thing is while the Democrats are blaming Gerrymandering for the loss of the House, the district were the same in 2006 when the Democrats took control, 2008 when the Democrats kept control, as they were in 2010 when the Republicans took control. Districts only change every ten years.
     
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    I presume they are only blaming gerrymandering for the loss of the house in 2012 ;).
     
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    Makes sense… So how do they explain that "shellacking" in 2010?
     
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    The same. Gerrymandering.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ricts-of-2011/2011/09/23/gIQAbSdHrK_blog.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/18/politics/gerrymandering/

    From the latter:

    The former link shows 10 different congressional districts that were redrawn for that election. You keep talking about "shellacking", when you completely ignore or are oblivious to what truly happened.

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