so, i spent years as a windows admin, changed to linux, then to Macs. i had forgotten what it is like..... the whole family got together and bought dad an ipod for fathers day. he drives about 50% of his work week and has no CD player in his car, so it seemed like a good idea. ...then i went to install it. i guess the whole "plug it in and it works no matter what it is" thing has spoiled me. first, we had to upgrade his computer from win98, cause itunes needs 2000 or better. i knew that, was counting on it. wasn't too bad, though it took longer than it took me to upgrade my ibook if i added all the upgrades together. then we patch it. SP1, install, reboot, bluescreen stop, repair, reboot, install SP2, reboot, bluescreen, repair, reboot, BS, repair MBR, reboot, install SP3, rinse wash repeat OMG WTF is wrong with people for even using this POS fricking OS from hel..... argh! 13 hours later, myself, a former admin, and my brother, a current admin, manage to get everything installed, running, up happy and better than ever. 13 hours for people who know what they are doing. what do "normal people" do? oh yeah, they just buy a new machine every time they need even a single part upgraded. "i don't want a Mac, they are harder to upgrade." i had forgotten how bad the windows world is. i am taking all my Macs out to dinner to show them how much i appreci.... ok not really, but man do i feel a renewed joy in my computers! never been so happy as after that "upgrade" and considering what vista sound like. wow am i glad i got out of the winders world. sorry, just had to vent somewhere!