Very Interesting PB and Ibook

Discussion in 'PowerPC Macs' started by bob909bob, Oct 21, 2005.

  1. bob909bob macrumors member

    Oct 20, 2005
    I did a special config comparison at the apple store website. Check this out, the 14 inch Ibook vs the 12 inch Powerbook when you pay $1499 for each.

    14 Inch Ibook

    1.42 Ghz G4
    768 mb ram
    32mb ATI 9550
    100 Gb Hardrive

    12 Inch Powerbook

    1.5 Ghz G4
    512 mb ram
    64mb Nvida
    80 Gb Hardrive

    12 Inch Ibook

    1.33 Ghz G4
    1.5 Gb ram
    Combo Drive
    32mb ATI 9550
    100 GB Hardrive

    This is very interesting to me. Each one of these systems has it's own advantages. The Powerbook has fastest processor and best vid card. The 14 Inch Ibook is almost identical to the Powerbook with slightly worse processor and vid card but with slightly better hardrive and ram. The 12 inch Ibook I think is the best of the three for most people though. The processor speed is the slowest and no superdrive but with a 100 gb hardrive and 1.5 gb of ram I would probaly say that I think it is the config out of the three I would most like to have.

    I think though when you make a comparison like this though it is clear that the 12 inch Powerbook is priced right where it should be in comparisson to the Ibook.
  2. wordmunger macrumors 603


    Sep 3, 2003
    North Carolina
    I'd get the 14-inch iBook but bump it down to a combo drive. But then again, that's what I've got.
  3. swindmill macrumors 6502a


    Mar 17, 2005
    Don't forget to factor in build quality if you are a stickler for things like that. My girl friend recently bought a new ibook and was disapppointed with the quality relative to the powerbook. The 12" ibook is also a a bit thicker and heavier than the powerbook, so ultaportability is in favor of the powerbook. Probably still a close call, but that might give another consideration that is often overlooked.
  4. dcv macrumors G3

    May 24, 2005
    The 14" iBook doesn't have a better hard drive. Yes for the £1499 price you are looking at you can bump it to 100GB capacity, but the iBook hard drives are slower, at only 4200 rpm.
  5. QCassidy352 macrumors G3


    Mar 20, 2003
    Bay Area
    Nice try, but I don't think so.
    First, you're paying $300 for that 1 gig of RAM on the 12" ibook (Crucial currently has it for $197, and when I got mine it was less than that), and $200 for +60 GB of HD space (and $100 to go from 80 GB to 100). That's absurd.
    Second, it's not true that the powerbook has the best video card. It has the worst video card - but it does have the most VRAM. I'd rather have a 32 MB 9550 than a 64 MB 5200go any day of the week, and twice on sundays.
    Third, the 12" ibook's performance is going to kick the everliving crap out of either of the other two when it has that much more RAM.

    And finally, notice what you've done here - brought the ibooks up to the cost of the powerbook. You're trying to get the 12" ibook up to $1500 when in reality, that's not what most ibook buyers do or need to do. Yeah, you can get there if you try, but you can't get the powerbook down to $1000 no matter what you do, yet that's exactly what many people actually do pay for the ibook.

    I don't see any way at all to justify a 12" powerbook right now. You're paying $500, 50%, more than for an ibook, for: 167 mhz, a superdrive, 5400 RPM hard drive (40 GB more), audio line in, and DVI. Meaningless advantages? No. Worth $500? I don't think that's anywhere close. Especially when you consider that the ibook has a better video card and higher RAM capacity. You can argue build quality on the powerbook, but then again, the ibook has better battery life and wifi range. All in all, the powerbook is a horrible deal right now, no two ways about it.
  6. powerbook911 macrumors 68040


    Mar 15, 2005
    Well, it is faster. Faster processor, faster bus, faster hard drive, and you get more video memory. The video card may not be as fast, but you still have more video memory, and that is important to some people.

    Next, you cannot connect the iBook to a beautiful Apple Cinema Display, so if you need to do that, the iBook is right out the window.

    Finally, unless you go with the big 14-inch form factor (making it hard to travel and giving you no extra screen resolution), you can't burn a DVD.

    The Powerbook 12-inch still fits a very important need. Of course, never forget it is gorgeous. :)
  7. bob909bob thread starter macrumors member

    Oct 20, 2005
    The whole point of my post was to show that the systems are all comparable. Each on hads it's own advantage in the main areas as I have show if you do special configs. I'm not saying which is the best all I'm trying to show is that each system has it's strong and weak points but in the end their all good IMO
  8. Abstract macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location Location
    I'd say this adds $100 in value to the PB over the iBook, and most of this $100 is due to HD speed. Too bad that's not the price difference (if you don't include edu discounts).
  9. hamster macrumors newbie

    Apr 28, 2005
    I agree with swindmill about build quality...and I'm always amazed that for a group of enthusiasts who constantly crow about the quality and design of Apple's products, that we don't more often notice that there is a difference between the two 'books - and it's not just white vs. silver or plastic vs. aluminum :rolleyes:

    I have an 12" iBook (older 800mhz G4) that I love - but if I put it next to my brother's PB of the same size and similar specs, there's just no comparison. Is it worth $500 more? Well, likely not if system performance is your primary metric -- but if you are concerned about materials / build / extra features, it just might tip the scales...
  10. smartgirlglasse macrumors newbie

    Oct 21, 2005
    Practical application

    So let's see this comparison shake down.

    I'm looking to replace my 12" powerbook (1 ghz, 512 ram), which had terrible build quality, resulting in a faulty CD Drive.

    I was waiting for the 12" PB updates on Wednesday; alas, none came. So, my options are to buy a fully loaded 12" PB, 12" iBook, 14" iBook, or 15" PB.

    Here's how they work out. Now, tell me, for a student that values portability, wireless connectivity, and the ability to work with large docs/graphics and run multiple programs (hence, needing RAM), which is the best buy?

    Specs are as follows, pulled from the apple site with my configs, edu pricing.

    iBook 12" 1.33GHz Combo - $1400
    1.33GHz PowerPC G4
    1.5GB DDR333 SDRAM (512MB built-in & 1GB SO-DIMM)
    100GB Ultra ATA drive
    Keyboard & Mac OS X - U.S. English
    Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)
    Accessory kit
    12.1-inch TFT Display
    1024x768 resolution
    ATI Mobility Radeon 9550
    32MB DDR video memory
    Built-in AirPort Extreme
    Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
    Scrolling Trackpad
    Sudden Motion Sensor

    iBook 14" 1.42GHz - $1600
    1.42GHz PowerPC G4
    1.5GB DDR333 SDRAM (512MB built-in & 1GB SO-DIMM)
    100GB Ultra ATA drive
    Keyboard & Mac OS X - U.S. English
    Accessory kit
    8x SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    1.42GHz PowerPC G4
    14.1-inch TFT Display
    1024x768 resolution
    ATI Mobility Radeon 9550
    32MB DDR video memory
    60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
    Built-in AirPort Extreme
    Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
    Scrolling Trackpad
    Sudden Motion Sensor

    PowerBook 12" 1.5GHz SuperDrive - $1715
    1.5GHz PowerPC G4
    1.256GB DDR333 (256MB built-in + 1GB SO-DIMM)
    100GB Ultra ATA drive @5400rpm
    AirPort Extreme Card
    Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
    12.1-inch TFT Display with 1024x768 resolution
    Slot-load 8x SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 graphics card with 64MB DDR memory
    Full size keyboard
    10/100BASE-T Ethernet
    USB 2.0 and FireWire 400

    PowerBook 15" 1.67GHz SuperDrive - $2430/$2159
    1.67GHz PowerPC G4 processor
    2GB PC2-4200 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs/1GB PC2-4200 DDR2 - 1 SO-DIMM
    120GB Ultra ATA drive @ 5400 rpm
    AirPort Extreme Card & Bluetooth
    15.2-inch TFT widescreen display with 1440x960 resolution
    Slot-load 8x SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 graphics card with 128MB DDR memory
    Full-size, backlit keyboard
    Gigabit Ethernet
    USB 2.0 and FireWire 400 & 800
    Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
  11. gwuMACaddict macrumors 68040


    Apr 21, 2003
    washington dc
  12. smartgirlglasse macrumors newbie

    Oct 21, 2005

    Honestly, because I didn't want to hijack the thread with my own petty powerbook-shopping concerns, but it also seemed related to what the OP was asking about. I'll remove it if that's a problem.

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