Virginity can be restored?

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  1. wdlove macrumors P6

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    Did anyone watch "20/20" Friday evening? This is the first that I had heard of this procedure. They featured this clinic in Toronto. Dr. Robert Stubbs spoke about this subject and showed how the procedure is performed. Many young females were doing this out of fear for their life, it's very sad that this is still happening in the 21st century. They interviewed college students at a major university in the Middle East. The females strongly believed in virginity a cultural ideal. Not sure how they felt about the surgery. The males definitely wanted to marry a virgin. Still showing the bias, it was OK if they weren;t virgins! Your thoughts!

    http://www.psurg.com/macleans2000.html

    Additional information.

    http://uk.searchengine.com/TOP/Health/Medicine/Surgery/Cosmetic_and_Plastic/Patient_Education/Cervicovaginal/Hymen_Restoration/
     
  2. scem0 macrumors 604

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    I wouldn't want to hide my virginity was.

    It seems rather costly (time, money, and pain) for such a small thing, that most people are bound to lose eventually.

    I dunno, I would never do it....... If i was a girl. ;)

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  3. iJon macrumors 604

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    well i know once the hymen breaks you are not a virgin anymore, unless it broke by other means, which is very possible. i always looked at virginity as a mental thing more than a physical thing. if youve had sex your not a virgin anymore. you can get all the surgery you want, you still had sex. but whateve makes the girl feel better go for it.

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  4. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    i agree with iJon. virginity is not so much a physical state as a record of what you've done. getting your physical "virginity" restored does nothing to change the knowledge that you've had sex, and all the feelings and sensations that come with it. virginity is an innocence, and you can't get your innocence back with a surgical procedure, even if they give you an amnesiac, methinks.
     
  5. evoluzione macrumors 68020

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    i agree with ya there iJon, once you've had sex, you're no longer a virgin, whether you get surgery or not, but, if, in your culture, it's a big thing, and it is huge in some cultures, then it can basically do the trick of fooling a physical examination. i know in some cultures that you're basically no good to a guy if you're no longer a virgin, it's a big big no no. yes it's shocking to us here in america and other "modern, western" countries, but then it's also shocking to see how many males are still circumcised too...
     
  6. elmimmo macrumors 6502

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    Leaving virginity is not a loss, in the sense that you "loose virginity" through gaining a new experience. The phrase "loosing virginity" is semantically stupid.
     
  7. evoluzione macrumors 68020

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    while the words "loose" and "virginity" generally are not seen in the same sentence, I agree with you that losing one's virginity is (usually) a positive experience in itself. Keeping your virginity is also something to be proud of though, especially in this day and age. I lost mine at a comparitively late age, and have no regrets about it.
     
  8. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    virginity is historically equated with innocence, as i have mentioned. so, it's not semantically stupid. when you gain experience, you lose innocence. "gaining your innocence" would be stupid, as would be "gaining virginity." you may prefer, though, to say, instead of "lost my virginity," "gained some sexual experience for the first time." i think that's much more vague and clumsy, though, if you ask me. i am quite happy with the semantics of "losing virginity."
     
  9. QCassidy352 macrumors G3

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    I find that notion quite funny. I don't think that virginity has anything to do with innocence. But to each his or her own, I guess.
     
  10. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    well, you'll have to clarify, perhaps, what you think it has to do with, and what you think i mean by "innocence." i can help you on the latter, i think.

    by innocence, i mean something like "ignorance" or "naïveté." a virgin is innocent because he or she has not actually experienced sex. sure, you can read all about it, you can even masturbate, i am sure, but that's not the same. you certainly lose a lot of innocence, i would agree, by looking at porn or masturbating, but you still have that lack of real, firsthand knowledge that comes from sex. that naïveté is what i mean by innocence here, and i would like to see you try and disagree ;)
     
  11. mymemory macrumors 68020

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    If I had a penny for all the times I heard from a girl "I wish I had lost my virginity before".

    Virginity is ok for kids and stuff because they wont care much about dysises' and pregnancy but... lossing the virginity is like a gay man "there is not man that regrated the fact of beign gay".

    The virginity sergury' it is just a way to make money from the people that thiks about virginity in that way. Rememeber in the US there are about 250 million people with a lot of money and too much time in their hand, that is the only place where you can find a market for that:D
     
  12. zim macrumors 65816

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    More important than dealing with the definition of what is a virgin, was the topic that these "girls" were shunned and even killed for marrying and not being a virgin. Thus the need for the surgery is to disguise their past.

    I think that the goal of the documentary was to inform us, america, of the extremes that are present in other cultures-and how these cultural practices are brought to america and canada. It shocked me to know that this is how the topic was dealt with. There was a double standard presented through the whole topic, where males were accepted as having had lost their virginity but females are not accepted and, as previously mentioned, shunned and even to the extreme, killed. I had originally thought that this must be dealing with past thoughts or beliefs but, after seeing the interviewer talk with some college students (middle eastern descent), I realized that this is a current practised belief. The males were as adament about the girl's virginity as the girls were themselves.

    As an american, this article shocked me that this is how some cultures treat themselves. I think and agree with the previous post that virginity is a thing of the mind. Nor do I agree with the parctice, where women are subjected to this sort of double-standard.
     
  13. medea macrumors 68030

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    virginity is the state of being pure, unsullied, or untouched, and a virign is someone who has not experienced sexual intercourse.
    virginity is mental not physical, like stated before, and I'm sorry but the only way you might be able to restore your virginity is to get amnesia.....
    seriously though, this state of mind where you must be a virgin before getting married etc is ridiculous and the this procedure is even more so. Apparently people still belive that lighting bolts are thrown from a god in some regions though so.....
     
  14. wdlove thread starter macrumors P6

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    The sad thing to see was the fear that these young women felt. They were desparate to keep from having their father, brother, and uncle disgraced. In the Middle East Cultures, virginity is owned by the males. In some cases the the female does not bleed on her wedding night can face death.
     
  15. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    which brings us to psychology... what kind of amnesia would it take? does your mind really forget things or just have trouble bringing them to where you can be conscious of them? while amnesia might make you forget things about having had sex, i wonder to what extent it forgets the fundamental experience of it?
     
  16. Stelliform macrumors 68000

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    I personnally believe that losing your virginity is highly mental. I know a girl who was raped before she lost her virginity. She then had casual sex with someone and discoved that giving herself to someone was totally different than being forced. She counts the time she gave herself to someone as the loss of her virginity. The huge mental bonds that are formed when you lose your virginity apparently occur only when you give yourself. (At least I can remember vividly my first. (Who also happens to be my wife. :eek: ))
     
  17. NavyIntel007 macrumors 65816

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    No... I think you're completely wrong on this one. There are some cultures that if the woman is not a virgin when she gets married she is put to death. This isn't simply a US thing but hey why not blame it on us anyway?

    Maybe you didn't know this but in most cases when a girl loses her virginity it's a painful experience (at least, with the three virgins that I've been with). If I gather this right, this surgery is suppose to make the woman bleed when she has sex again to simulate the breaking of they hymen. Bleeding usually is painful. Regardless of what you think about Americans and their money, I highly doubt that any women would do this to themselves unless their lives depended on it.
     
  18. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    I also think it is virginity is a mental thing.

    Comeon once you have the physical being taken I think this is a waste of money.

    Some middle eastern countries care, well okay, so why does this person have this operation in Canada? :rolleyes:

    Oh well.
     
  19. rainman::|:| macrumors 603

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    obviously none of you have ever heard of "love knots" or as we call them now "victorian love knots"... They sewed a woman's labia together with very fine thread, causing minor pain and bleeding to occur on the wedding night (this was done very shortly beforehand)... So it's not a new practice by any means... It's right up there with female circumcision in my book of Fun Things Men Inflict On Women (and other bodily mutilations).

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  20. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    female circumcision? women have foreskin? never heard of that one.
     
  21. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    The clitoral hood is removed to lessen the sexual pleasure the women receive.

    Genital mutilation is the more general term. A common practice is the labia being stiched together to ensure that the women do not have sex before marriage.

    It's painful and emotionally scarring.
     
  22. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    thoroughly disgusting, rower, thanks for the heads up.
     
  23. RandomDeadHead macrumors 6502

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    A infant geting circumcised, and a young woman getting a new hymen are two diffrent things.

    The first is for health reasons, the second is just a way for guys to get a false sense of that "new car smell".

    The two are totaly different.
     
  24. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    The health benefits of male circumcision are negligible, making the procedure more aesthetic than anything else.
     
  25. ibookin' macrumors 65816

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    And religous...

    Jewish guy over here. :D
     

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