Vista Will Double Apple’s Market Share

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    Article says nothing. His #1 reason that people are going to leave Vista / Windows in droves? UI inconsistencies. No one's leaving because of that, and OSX is even more of a Frankenstein in terms of it's UI.

    Save valuable seconds and pass on this piece of fluff.
     
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    Good article. It's bad when your own Microsoft fans start running for the hills when Vista is mentioned.

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    hey OS X.5 is just going to be that good.

    Apple in on the upswing. this is a good thing
     
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    ready for his family to upgrade...

    while he may be a little bit pro os-x himself, it seems that more than anything he is saying that if his family switches to mac he will get fewer requests for technical support. hard to argue with that.
     
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    True, I think even Thurrott called Vista a train wreck! :D
     
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    It's going to take more than bad software from Microsoft to double Apple's share. It's going to take an effort from Apple to meet switchers half way.
     
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    You mean something like dual-booting windows...oh, wait, didn't they already do that?:rolleyes:
     
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    By realizing a that a laptop on a stick as a desktop only appeals to you guys.
     
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    Funny. When we rant on forums, people frown. When a columnist rants, people read it as gospel.
     
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    As much as I want it to happen, its not going to. Shops like PC World (UK) are simply too biased too Windows-they are already promoting Vista at my "local branch".
     
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    "A Mac pro as a home desktop is like a Freightliner with a Pickup bed."

    You can get a Freightliner with a pick-up bed, serious testosterone.
     
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    vista is going to be a success regardless if people like it or hate it.. see: windows 95/98.

    the only thing that could help apple out is that most of the computer people have aren't capable of completely running vista to the fullest before some upgrades. they will likely look at price comparisons, realize that can get an apple for in some cases cheaper that comparable dells and hp's, and what's this, CURVEBALL... all apples out right now are vista-compatible.

    [granted they will love leopard/tiger so much, they will forget the vista thing quickly]
     
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    The only people that this laptop on a stick doesn't appeal to is those that like to upgrade their systems. Most computer users (PC and Mac) don't really upgrade. At most they upgrade their ram. The vast majority of computer users I know never upgrade their machines, they just buy them and then buy a new one when they need one
     
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    Don't you mean a bad and extremely expensive OS? Even Apple's OS upgrades are a bargain in comparison and it looks like MS is really going to crack down on the widespread piracy that so many windoze fanboys practice.

    What more do you want from Apple? Some cheap, marginally functional box that needs to be returned to the manf. every 6 months?
     
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    One problem with that, MOST people don't look for the best performance for the price. They look at price. "Oh, a Dell for $300, what a deal". They don't realize they are getting a computer worth about $150. And I don't think most people give a rat's pink behind if they can run Vista to it's fullest. It's sad how stupid the general public is.
     
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    I'd say his number one reason for expecting a mass migration is that Vista is expensive and doesn't fix any of the problems of XP. He expects Leopard to provide an easier to use platform bundled with most of the applications people need.

    But you're right-- mostly fluff. Nice to hear more people predict a major shift though.

    When Apple users and Windows users talk about inconsistent interfaces they mean different things, I think. Apple users complain about the icons looking different, or the windows borders being different colors. Windows users complain that each application or tool or setting has a completely different way of doing essentially the same thing. OS X is pretty consistent in its interface, even if its outward appearance can vary.
     
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    I don't know who here has seen or used Vista RC 1, but it blows big time. Most of the stuff that I thought would be cool is more of a hassle. I have it running on a computer of mine at work and I can't wait until I have time to reinstall XP on it. I'm not a big Windows fan, but XP has it's nicer points. I'll take OS X over XP any day though. I wish that there was a way to get OS X running on a x86 PC box without it being terribly unstable. I'd have all my computers at work on it if there was. I can't wait until Leopard comes out. From what I've seen it is a terrific operating system.
     
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    Not sure what kinds of rats you have in Wisconsin, but ours have brown, furry behinds. Or maybe I haven't looked closely enough...

    That aside, my experience has been that people talk about being able to get a $300 Dell, but rarely do. "Why would I get a Mac for $2500 when I can get a Dell for $300?" They end up comparing high end Macs to low end PCs. What they wind up buying is much more capable and much more expensive than the $300 machine.

    They look at price and performance separately, and often buy performance while feeling good about the price of something they didn't buy thinking it's an indication that they must still be getting a deal. If Dell can make a computer that is cheaper than anyone else's, then their whole line must be less expensive than comparable machines elsewhere. Most people understand price, but don't understand the features that lead to performance.

    Apple suffers from a shallow product line. They have to, given their volumes. This means they can't push out a machine that's dirt cheap but low demand just to attract peoples attention. They had the mini for a while which proved how inexpensive a Mac could be, but then they went Intel and doubled the price... I, for one, think they should have kept the G4 mini's around as long as everything is moving to universal binaries anyway.
     
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    There was a column in a PC magazine I read which was raising questions over whether people would switch from XP to Vista, it came to the conclussion they wouldn't (as there wasn't any must have features and for business it wouldn't be worth the risk) and that it would cause Microsoft serious problems (financial mainly).

    But I really fail to see why the release of Vista, whether it is good or bad, would have any major effect on the number of people switching to Mac's - people will just stay with XP.

    Using Firefox as an example doesn't prove anything, nor does Open Office - there are many excellent reasons for people to switch to them (more than for switching from XP/Vista to Mac) yet not that many have. Microsoft still have massive markets share, the last I heard Firefox had 5%-15% which is good but not that good.

    The continued success of the iPod and the iTV are going to be the main reasons people switch in the near future. The iPod as its a showcase for what Apple products are like, though this will only ever result in small numbers of switchers.

    iTV as the next os battle is going to be fought on the home media server front. But its going to need some killer features to have any chance of taking on Windows Media Centre, which to be fair to Microsoft is a pretty good package. My brother just got a £200 Xbox 360 which in conjunction with a PC running XP Media Centre, can do everything the iTV is likely to do and a whole lot more.

    Nintendo are the company Apple should be looking to for inspiration. All the press laughed at the DS going up against the PSP, it didn't have a chance yet it has blown the PSP away sales wise. We'll have to wait and see what the Wii does but it has the potential to do the same.

    Nintendo refer to them as 'disruptive' products, causing a major change in the games market. Apple need their own 'disruptive' product, which will draw people to the Mac. Nintendo have also commented on their 'blue ocean strategy' (Google it) which again would be a good direction for Apple to keep moving in (which they have already started to with the iPod).
     
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    That will slow the adoption, but people will eventually move because all new machines will ship with Vista leading to incompatibilities and a need to standardize on the newer platform. Once one user in the office is using an updated version of Office, everyone needs to update to read the files. Same is true, to some extent, with the OS. Networking, file sharing, peripheral support, etc.
    What I'm hearing among my peers is that people are planning to make their next home machine a Mac. I give the folks I manage the choice of moving to Mac in the office, but they're nervous about it-- they want to try it at home first. Makes sense. That's the path I followed.
    "Pundits" like this tend to be geeks, or at least want to emulate geeks. Firefox, Linux, and OpenOffice have much higher visibility among that crowd. Same goes for the people reading their columns. You're right-- it doesn't prove anything, but if they don't talk about the geeky stuff they get clobbered with email from readers.

    In most ways, the counter argument is much more instructive-- Netscape had complete dominance and IE came out of nowhere to obliterate it. The fact that Firefox is struggling for a few percentage points shows that superior products don't always succeed.
    Yeah, the iPod is bringing a lot of attention to Apple, but I don't think it's going to fuel much of a shift by itself. Apple's market share isn't going to move much until they get better penetration into businesses. That's where the bulk of machines are sold, and it's where people are forced to accept the machine someone else prescribes. At home, many people want or need a machine that's compatible with the office.

    The success of the iPod/iTunes is starting a bit of a reverse pressure-- people want a work machine compatible with their home. They want to be able to manage their iPod at work. This isn't going to do much to change the situation though-- for most of us, the pressure to work at home is far greater than the desire to play at work.
     
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    I've used Release Candidate 2 at work for Vista and it sucks.

    I can't tell to tell any differences between it and XP.

    And to make it worse, they've stolen SO MANY things from OS X.
     
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    Ironically this is the one market place that Apple never has and never will aim for. The Macintosh is a "personal" computer not a "work" machine.:rolleyes:
     
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    Is the Mac Pro not a work machine? :p
     
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    The more people switch, the more likely we are going to get viruses and spyware written for OSX and eventually OS 11. For that reason and that reason alone I hope vista dosen't blow as much as it seems to. Cnet gave RC2 a bad review- it was even worse that RC1.
     

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