Wartime Powers of the POTUS

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  1. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    This article about the power grab by Bush contained this quote that caught my eye:
    That is from John Yoo, one of the chief legal counsels to the POTUS. He is purported to be a constitutional scholar. Apparently he didn't get the memo that the constitution doesn't contain provisions that grant more power to the executive at any time, including wartime.

    Oh, and he must be an uber-liberal, since he comes from Berkeley. Right?
     
  2. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Problem, of course, is that historically presidents have taken more power, without being challenged, in wartime. Even Abraham freaking Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.

    Guys like Bush see that as a precedent that allows them to do the same -- no matter what the Constitution says.

    I haven't a clue how we reverse that perception.
     
  3. Thanatoast macrumors 6502a

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    I still don't see how W can be a "wartime" president if the Congress never declared war.

    Here's a great piece about how the war is nothing more than a specifc and political use of language in order to reenforce the perception that the president must not be questioned on his decisions.

    Quoted in part:
    Great read.
     
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    These seem to be the relevent bits.
    Subsection A deals entirely with Iraq and it's now coming out in the press that the president and his cadre knew ahead of time that Iraq was powerless and were cherry-picking evidence in order to sell the war. Sounds bad.

    Subsection B says that he's supposed to be using the military to fight terrorists. Well, now that he's gotten into Iraq, terrorists have sprouted and he now has the legal justification to be there, though he seems to be shirking his law-bound duty to take necesarry actions against those...who planned...the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 But it could be argued that in invading Iraq on false pretenses (a crime in and of itself) interfered with his duty to execute Subsection B.

    In fact, I think we should hang him.
     
  6. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I agree. And then we should drag his body through the streets.
     
  7. Demoman macrumors regular

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    An interesting side note, after several centuries, the British dug up the grave of Oliver Cromwell and hung him. Considering the unfaithful stewardship we have practiced for the past couple centuries, more than a few of our leaders may get their 'bones rattled' by future generations. They have certainly earned that distinction.
     
  8. Thanatoast macrumors 6502a

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    Except that I'm serious.

    Whereas the president knowingly used false and unreliable intelligence in making a case for war,

    Whereas the resulting military action has so far killed over 2700 American soldiers, wounded over 19,000

    Whereas untold thousands of civilian deaths of Iraqi citizens have occured as a consequence of his misuse of the Naitonal Armed Services,

    Whereas this war has cost the taxpayers over two hundred and fifty billion dollars,

    Whereas the President has continued to use false and misleading statements concerning the conections between Iraq and his true target of al-Qaeda,

    Whereas the President, in succesfully leading the nation into an aggresive war of choice, distracted the nation and took vital resources from the goals killing and capturing the perpetrators of the 9-11 attacks,

    It is hereby resolved that he should be hanged by the neck until he is dead.
     
  9. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Well, that is a traditional punishment for treason, isn't it?
     
  10. Queso macrumors G4

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    Sending him to Guantanemo would be a more fitting punishment :rolleyes:
     
  11. takao macrumors 68040

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States#Formal_declarations_of_war


    from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Current_declarations

    "North and South Korea have remained legally at war since the Korean War.
    Israel has been at war with Lebanon and Syria since the Yom Kippur War.
    Having refused to sign the 1949 Armistice Agreements, Iraq has remained in a state of war with Israel ever since.
    Armenia and Azerbaijan remain deadlocked on the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh and have yet to find a peaceful resolution.
    Russia and Japan technically never ended their state of war following World War II. The Kuril Islands dispute is the current obstacle to the signing of a peace treaty.
    The Netherlands has never signed a peace treaty with Portugal after a conflict in 1567; thus, the two are technically still at war with each other. "
     
  12. mischief macrumors 68030

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    Whereas the President, in direct violation of the abiding statute has conducted the military in such a manner as to further undermine National Security by uniting America's enemies under one banner.

    Whereas the President has willfully and unlawfully maintained intelligence proceedings and operations in direct violation of international law.

    Whereas the President, Vice President and other members of the Executive cabinet have willfully and unlawfully obstructed, obfuscated and outright lied to Congress in regards to their relationships with a number of illegal or and/or unethical actions, decisions, contractors and policies.

    Whereas the President has violated his Oath of Office, his Mandate and the trust of the voting public.

    It is by these actions that we, The People condemn George Walker Bush, his Cabinet and his cabal of Neoconservative Industrialist Fascists to be stripped of their official positions, their citizenship and their priviledges of residing within the United States and it's allied Nations.
     
  13. Queso macrumors G4

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    It's George Walker Bush. The rest of it would be nice though. If only.....
     
  14. mischief macrumors 68030

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    Sonovabitch! Yer right. How did I get that mixed up?:confused: :eek:
     
  15. skunk macrumors G4

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    So easy to confuse George Bush with George Washington, isn't it? You'll be calling him George Winston Bush next.
     
  16. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    and his wife, Kate.
     
  17. mischief macrumors 68030

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    I think I was the victim of faulty initial data way back in 1999. Garbage in, Garbage out.;)
     
  18. KingYaba macrumors 68040

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    Punish 'em by making him listen to the Red Hot Chili Peppers at loud volumes in a cold room. :D :D :D That was such a funny story.
     

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