We = ****d By "Patriot Act"

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  1. greatdevourer macrumors 68000

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    http://news.com.com/2100-1030-6037598.html?tag=tb

    This is crap, as it means all US mailboxes (Hotmail/MSN/gMail/AOL/Yahoo/etc) are going to be affected. Also, Americans don't just email other Americans, so everyone's gonna be affected by this. Any more of this crap, and Canada won't be big enough!
     
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    Remember bomb bubba bomb de bomb de bomb bomb from "Meet the Parents?"

    I've stopped worrying about this petty stuff. I'm moving to a socialist country soon.
     
  4. XNine macrumors 68040

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    That's actually what I was quoting. lol
     
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    I've been wondering about this lately. My webhosting company, ICDSoft is based in Hong Kong so technically, all my e-mail is handled by an international company. I wonder how much of my email is being scanned?
     
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    FYI, ICDSoft has two data centers. They have one in HK and one in California (I think).
     
  8. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    Did I read this right?

    This "act" has to be judge-approved on a case-by-case basis and doesn't allow "them" to view the subject or content of the persons email?
     
  9. XNine macrumors 68040

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    I thought they were doing this with Echelon and whatever the hell that other program was called, unless that program has since become defunct (I remember reading that the software to keep up with it wasn't top of the line anymore and it was too expensive to overhaul,) or I could be thinking of something else.
     
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    Wikipedia has a pretty cool article on Echelon but I don't get the feeling that Echelon data could be used in court. :confused:
     
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    CARNIVORE! that's the other program that I thought was harvesting email communications. But the last I read (that I remember) was that the software to keep up with all of the emails and encryption methods was now defunct and the government couldn't afford something newer.
     
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    Why do you hate freedom, evildoer?
     
  13. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    I can't even begin to imagine the logistics of something that big!

    With my three piddly email accounts I have a hard enough time writing content-sifting rules to keep everything managed and spam-free.

    Now imagine going thru BILLIONS of emails daily looking for communications from bad guys that are smart enough to not use words like "BOMB" or "ASSASSINATE" and use encryption! :eek:
     
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    Did I read the linked article wrong, or does this just allow the government to monitor who you might be corresponding with, not the content of said correspondence?

    By itself, that seems of limited practical usage. Am I to infer this is just part of a multi-pronged strategy where this allows the tracking of who someone might be communicating with, while another law (or skirting thereof) allows for the dissemination of the content?

    As an aside, I think that Hotmail's user agreement allows MS to appropriate content from emails sent through their system, although I cannot substantiate such a claim.
     
  15. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    That'd be my guess.

    They get a judge to let them view the header info, see that you're getting a lot of emails from a weird country and then have a get a judge to let them see your entire email account.

    I don't know how I feel about that, esp. w/ a judge involved. :confused:
     
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    Yeah, blackfox; per the article it's like the present pen-register deal with telephones. They monitor who you're "atlking" to, but they don't read the subject line or text.

    SFAIK, though, Echelon does. Echelon US reads foreign stuff; Echelon UK reads US stuff and tells NSA. something like that...

    Drifting a bit: Does anybody know when the Patriot Act was actually written? It popped up full-blown and all blossomed out real quick after 9/11, but it had to have been already done. I don't think you can come up with that many pages of Police State stuff in just a few months. Bush I? Clinton era? Anybody know?

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    I have been using PGP and Anonymizer for years for any private emailing and web surfing. However the Feds have been trying to get the AES encryption key since the Clinton Administration. Their first attempt was fought by a consortium of Silicon Valley CEO's. Not sure what the status is now. If they do get the "key" they will be able to unlock any encrypted info that uses AES.
     
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    I think we run part of Echelon for you here too, for snooping on the Pacific and Asia (and the UN apparently). We get called up anytime there's someone you want to listen in on that you'd rather not be seen to be snooping on yourselves.

    What we get out of it i'm not sure, some degree of forgiveness for still not letting yer nukes in i guess - spook business seems to operate at an entirely different level to trade or diplomacy.
     
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    'Rat - a quick net search yielded that that Patriot act began (officially) on:
    Oct. 26th 2001 as Public Law 107-56 (of 107th Congress).

    Whether portions of the act were lifted/amended versions of previous law(s) I do not know...
     
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    i wouldn't be surprised to learn that PNAC had portions of the patriot act at the ready.
     
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    So the AES encryption key is actually at this time... Unbreakable? That's sexy!

    Thanks for the info!
     
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    It's also untrue.

    It's just likely that they'll not be able to crack it in time for the information to actually be useful. In all reality, they could crack it on their first guess.
     
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    If it makes you feel any better, based on prior experience, they'll be bypassing the judge whenever they so desire. For those wondering... yes, Big Brother is here. And not only is he able to watch whatever it is you're doing, he doesn't even need a warrant. There is just too much room for corruption and misuse for anyone to feel safe. Even those who have "nothing to hide".

    Anyone who says they have nothing to hide, that this is no big deal, well you might as well just piss on the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights because you're missing the point entirely.
     
  24. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    'Rat,

    can't help you off the top of my head, but I'll look around and see if there is anything that doesn't come from the tin-foil crowd. Great to see you back posting!
     
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    frankblundt: Yeah, back when the hot topic was Echelon, it was also mentioned that the third listening station was in New Zealand.

    Basically, anything not on a dedicated land line is automatically monitored.

    To me, a really major problem is the lack of accountability in the Patriot Act and the associated legislation (nothing new, there). That is, if you're a good law-abiding citizen but run afoul of an eager enforcement-type or prosecutor who has any personal animosity toward you, shame on your unhappy self. There seems to be little or no recourse.

    Which puts you at the mercy of a hostile "snitch"-type of neighbor or associate.

    Seems to me, anyway.

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