What a Complete Arse!

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by skunk, May 31, 2005.

  1. skunk macrumors G4

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    http://nytimes.com/2005/05/31/polit...&en=13f98a96daa3ad44&ei=5094&partner=homepage
    Is this all he's got to say?
     
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    Amnesty International isn't know for being completely "truthful" about things, but yes, another piss poor reaction from GW. :rolleyes:
     
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    Poor reaction, but AI's assertion is absurd. It's a convenient and inaccurate label. Gitmo is not a network of forced labor camps that huge segments of the population are sent to work and die. It is not particularly like the Soviet-era GULAG.
     
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    The news we get here (Belgium) about Guantanamo Bay ain't pretty at all...

    Maybe he came up with the response himself. ;) (no pun intended!)
     
  5. skunk thread starter macrumors G4

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    From the Secretary General of AI's Message (not from the report itself, which makes no such direct comparison).
    http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/message-eng
    Is this unfair or absurd? I think not. The Report itself is worth reading.
     
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    That's the problem with using language loosely for emotional impact -- you give the target of the criticism an easy way to wriggle out.
     
  7. skunk thread starter macrumors G4

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    Touché! It's true, gulag is not a judicious choice, but, to be fair to AI, it does not appear in the report itself.
     
  8. skunk thread starter macrumors G4

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    Would that be the Irish pub just off the Grand Place? ;)
     
  9. Lyle macrumors 68000

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    What a bunch of fascists.
     
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    I had a damn hard time keeping some water to go up my nose.
    Thx. :mad:

    Must have missed that one ;) :D
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  12. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    if everyone will recall, when bush says "freedom," it's shorthand for "regulation-free capitalism."

    and this business of blaming "those who hate america." seems to me that the real haters are the ones who undermine its constitution and legacy when given the charge of protecting it.

     
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    Hey, what ever happened to the "evil doers"? Are they now a subset of the "people who hate America"? If so, why are we losing focus with this flaccid rhetoric? Hey, he could be talking about almost anyone outside the US! Bring back the "Axis of Evil"! ;)

    Seriously, skunk is right, the report is worth reading.
     
  14. Agathon macrumors 6502a

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    When a country has a secret plane it uses to transfer torture subjects to places where they may legally be tortured, it is pretty sick.

    One could agree or disagree about Iraq and the so-called "War on Terror", and still find the whole Gitmo/Abu Ghraib thing extremely worrisome and disappointing.

    Those responsible should be punished.
     
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    Deny everything, label the accuser a malicious crackpot. It's a strategy straight out of X-Files. Fortunately, Amnesty has enormous credibility.
     
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    Didn't Bush use AI material on Iraq as part of his justification for war? I guess he didn't think they were absurd then...
     
  17. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    heh heh
     
  18. takao macrumors 68040

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    well somebodyo nly have to look at the _long_ list of countries there ...

    at least it led to serious earthquakes in politics over here (look up austria the law about asylums etc.)

    when looking thorugh news home pages i naustria there like 8 articles within the last 7 days and like 30 alone in May about the discussion
     
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    What makes you think that they care for truth or logical consistency? As long as they get their own way, they don't care. It's a disgrace.
     
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    May I reiterate, LOUDLY, that I think that whatever is going on in Guantanamo should be PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE BY NOW. Stop flicking the yellow-orange switch and tell us what the hell is going on.
     

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