What about those Brits

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  1. diamond geezer macrumors regular

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3488036.stm

    Real life or early monty Python?
     
  2. Krizoitz macrumors 6502a

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    Can I get some words translated here :)

    I need a British English to American English translation of the following terms:

    Chinese cocklers
    shadow cabinet
    MP

    Thanks !
     
  3. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    Re: Can I get some words translated here :)

    Chinese people collecting cockles.
    Shadow, meaning the conservatives are not in power, so she is the shadow to the actual "spokeswoman for agriculture" in Labour (that is in power)...I think!
    Member of Parliament.
     
  4. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Definitely real life:

    Python was generally funny.
     
  5. kettle macrumors 65816

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    I like to hear a joke before I make up my mind on the humour value. A funny joke is blind to artificial sensitivities of a growing number of brainwashed politically correct prisioners (this could be you).
    Just because, out of respect to our fellow humans we must learn when and when not to say things, it does NOT mean that laughing at someone elses misfortune should be made illegal.
    Imagine how much money the world could save if it's workers spent less time off work with stress. Can anyone tell me if we are allowed to fart in public anymore, what is that? an on the spot fine?.
    If humour was used a little more, the whole ridiculous world would cost less to legislate.

    Polititians do not want to be booo'd off, so I think she was wrong to say it career wise.

    One thing you can be sure of is - European Fishermen who get to steal our Fishing Industry from under our very noses are laughing their flipping heads off. For thousands of years anyone living here (UK) has had to fight to keep these lands and waters for our own benefit, now any tom dick or harry can pop to brussels and get their own pound of England, except that now it will have to be Kilogrammes. Ha bloody ha.:eek:
     
  6. hardon macrumors regular

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    i think it goes something like this ^^

    two sharks are swimming in the ocean, the largest shark says to the other one, " im sick of eating fish every day".
    the second remarks " yea me too, lets go to Morecambe Bay and have a chinese".
     
  7. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Ha, ha. Tears in my eyes.

    To paraphrase Peter Cook and Dudley Moore (because I can't remember the exact line), "I always like a good joke once I know I've heard one."
     
  8. kettle macrumors 65816

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    Re: Can I get some words translated here :)

    I think you'll find you need an English to American English translation.

    How about being a little less insensitive?
    I'm not sure if I'm totally happy with the term "Brits" either.

    Just "Yanking" yer chain. :D

    before anyone starts on the "chain" part of the comment, it's about pulling the chain after using a lavatory to "take a piss", not a remark about historical slave trades.

    mkay?
     
  9. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    I don't think the expression "yanking your chain" alludes to toilet fixtures. I believe it's a reference to involuntary servitude.

    In any event, I'm always happy to be called a "Yank" when I'm traveling in your land, even when it's inflected with that slight edge of distain that you Brits have down to perfection.
     
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    Speaking of Python and the Chinese....

     
  11. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    So, what's the difference between satire and a bad joke?
     
  12. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    the audience
     
  13. kettle macrumors 65816

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    What, even when I just said it wasn't?
     
  14. Savage Henry macrumors 65816

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    Racist people in power at our beloved Houses of Parliament??!!! Never!! It's an outrageous slur!! Next you'll be saying that we are the sort of people who would bug the telephone lines belonging to the Secretary General of United Nations!
     
  15. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Apparently.

    edited for source:

    "YANK (SOMEONE AROUND/SOMEONE'S CHAIN) -- vb. American to mislead, deceive, harass or irrate. The image on which the expression is based is that of a chained or leashed animal or prisoner being thoughtlessly or maliciously jerked about or led in different directions..."

    From "The Dictionary of Contemporary Slang" by Tony Thorne (Pantheon Books, New York, 1990; originally published in Great Britain by Bloomsbury Publishing, 1990).
     
  16. whocares macrumors 65816

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    HmmHmmm. Isn't the UK *part* of Europe, both geographically and politically? I know many people in the UK don't agree with the EU, but you do get some advantages out of it. I think you should rephrase " (...) - French, Spanish [insert offending countries here] Fishermen who get to ...". Oh and don't flame me for this, I'm from England.

    Back on topic, I think it's fine have jokes on other countries, minorities, religions, etc... as long as they are not said with any disrespect. I laugh at good jokes about the English. I also laugh at any good joke, whoever is involved.


    Oh and not to start a fight, I also find "British English" to be very offensive. I understand you might have some grudge with the English (who doesn't? :p ) but you should at least have some consideration for the Welsh and the Scots who speak Welsh and Scotish. ;) The term Brits is fine with me though. "Roastbeef" and Pommey bastard is also ok, as long as I can use "froggy" and Aussie bastard :D
     
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    Only to those it suits. You will have to get your feet very wet to get to Europe from the U.K. Europe to Asia to Africa will keep your toes nicely dry. Politically, the U.K. has its own currency and controls its own taxes. Until the day someone sells our sovereignty to the Socialist Superstate system that is Europe, the UK only has to worry about the cost of subsidising a huge pile of festering bureaucracy that continues to go on unchecked.
    Please name them, reminding me why these could be considered value for money.
    I think you may find an AtoZ of Hell very useful about now.
    "as long as they are not said with any disrespect." You didn't say you were a politician. Isn't that double speak? Tell me a religious joke that isn't disrespectful.
    I don't, so you misunderstood that I might.
    consideration for what? That they have the same 5 terestrial tv channels as England but can't understand them because they only understand Gaelic and Welsh? Get out of it.
    just don't let the P.C. fascists catch you thinking out of line, you'll end up with an on the spot fine to fund their habit.
     
  18. kettle macrumors 65816

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    I suppose, ignoring the fact that I clearly explained the meaning of my remark in my original post.
    I also suppose your quote from the Dictionary will explain why this term is solely used in the context of "involuntary servitude" as a opposed to areas like punishment or domestication.

    If you wish to interpret the comment using a slavery spin, I will just have to assume you like sticking "Kick Me" on your own arse.:)
     
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    I'm sorry, this reply make no sense, even as an insult.
     
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    Boy is there a lot of hate in that answer! :eek:

    First if the UK isn't part of Europe, what it is part of? North America? The USA? And please don't say it's a continent in its own right, queen Victoria is dead, so is the British Empire and we should all be ashamed of our recent past.

    Advantages of Europe? How about the free market that most British would like to reduce Europe down to. Though this mpay be more debatle, agricultural subventions. I would also like to remind people that the UK gets a *massive* reduction on the dues it pays to Europe, and has ever since day one. Face it, with out Europe, the UK would either be non existent by now or the 52nd state of the USA (well IMHO it's already the 51.5).

    As for jokes about religion, or anything else, yes I know a few and no I won't give examples because I know some people here won't like it. Not everybody is good with auto-derision. And that's ok. Asking who doesn't have a grudge against the Brits was merely an example of auto-derision, and I can ensure you that many people do have grudges against us. Try talking to some people in the ex-colonies; when speaking to them, choose your words *very* carefully.

    And as for the Welsh and Scots (do I sense you don't like them?), it was merely to point out that there is no such thing as British English. He should have stated "English English" but that sounds plain stupid. You should go ask some Welsh and Scotsmen what they think about have English TV, no (or very few) of Scotsmen and Welsh represented at the BBC and about how they feel about being bullied around by the English for so long.

    And as for PC fascists? I don't give a f***. Sure I'm in the States right and watch what I say; it's their country and I should respect their ways. But when I'm in France or England? I'll use just about any expression I want.

    I rarely post in the political forums because people take stuff too seriously.


    And for that joke about the chineese, I found it to be very funny. I would have also found it funnt if 60 Englishmen drowned in Morecombe bay and the punch line was " (...) why don't we have some roastbeef for lunch?".
     
  21. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Well I don't know about that. I've never seen kettle post here before and it seems like he's the one who's getting on his high horse over this essentially trivial topic. I'm a regular in the forum and I'm taking it pretty lightly, or so I thought would be apparent.

    Incidentally, linguists would not agree with you on your characterization of "British English." This is a recognized dialect, as is "American English." I don't know how the Scots, the Welsh, the Irish, the Cornish or anyone else of Celtic origins feels about being described as a "British English" speaker, but that's what they'd probably be called by a linguist.
     
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    That's a good point and is most likely true. However just because linguits use it, doesn't make true ;) :p
    Do you think we should refer to Canadian French as opposed to French French? :p :p :p

    But you're right, compared to many other things that happen on this planet, it's quite trivial...
     
  23. JamesDPS macrumors regular

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    Hey reilly are British English and "Queen's English" pretty much the same thing? Seriously, I don't know what the definitions are (linguistically speaking). I know there are a multitude of dialects in England -- I lived in Devon (SW England) for 8 years and after that still have plenty of trouble understanding dialects from, for example, some parts of Yorkshire.

    How come no one commented on the "festering... beaurocracy" remark? Did that come from an American talking about some OTHER country?

    I believe the beaurocracy in this country (USA) is one of its main problems, especially in areas such as healthcare and education (and, of course, the taxation system). My g/f is currently getting her teaching credential in California and the political hoops she has to jump through for no good reason whatsoever would blow most people's minds. And in healthcare, a recent Harvard study (someone find the link for me I'm lazy!) found that if the US were to provide national healthcare to all citizens (like the NHS) and do away with HMOs, something along the lines of $80 billion per year would be SAVED because of the reduction in beaurocratic expenses.

    Wow that has nothing to do with this thread whatsoever... time to go start a new thread!
     
  24. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Well you know how tricky those linguists can be. You might even call them cunning linguists.

    :eek:
     
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    rimshot....

    let's hear it for IJ ladies and gentlemen....he'll be here all week.

    he just flew in from the coast and boy are his arms tired...

    be sure and try the veal and don't forget to tip those waitresses, they're working hard for ya...:D
     

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