what happened to the 10 gb? disk inventory question

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  1. biohazard6969 macrumors 6502a

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    hey, ok i don't know how many of you have used or even heard of this program. its called Disk Inventory X. it catalogues ur hard drive.

    anyways theres a big chunk of my hard drive that it says is being occupied by "other files and folders" (see the pic) its the big grey chunk. anyways i'm just wondering what is taking up that space.

    i've tried other disk inventory programs such as "whatsize" and they won't tell me either.

    i really would like the space.
     

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  2. Makosuke macrumors 603

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    I'm a little baffled as to the method you're going about determining what's on your drive, but here's the easiest way to do a quick and dirty catalog:

    Using the Finder, get info on each folder on the drive individually. Take notes on the sizes reported. Check #1 is to make sure that the total roughly matches up with the total data on the drive. If it doesn't there's something weird and hidden taking up space, but that's rare.

    Step two, assuming the standard system files don't take up an undue amount of space (around 3GB for the OS is normal, and the Applications folder depends on what you've got installed) is to go into the folders you've created (from the looks of it, probably limited to your User folder), and get info on each folder/file (ok, just check the list for the files) there.

    When you find a very large item, make sure you know why it's taking up so much space--perhaps you saved a big video file you didn't realize you had or something. Once everything is roughly accounted for, you're good to go.

    For example, a quick check might reveal that my System, Library, and Apps folders take up 5GB, and my Users folder takes 10GB. Looking at each item under my user, I find that Movies is 2GB, Music is 3GB, documents is only a couple hundred MB, Library is 500MB, and all the rest is in my "temp junk" folder. When I look in there, I might find that I saved an iMovie project that I'd forgotten about, and I can delete now, or that I just have a bunch of junk on there.
     
  3. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    ok, so i checked everything and added it up. here's what i got

    Users: 25.5 GB
    Applications: 5.2 GB
    Library: 4.4 GB
    System: 1.2 GB
    Developer: 804 MB
    usr: 684.3 MB
    private: 671.6

    as well as some other things i added up but too lazy to type in, they were all below 200 mb

    anyways it added up to 38.9985 GB, but my hard drive is 60!!!!!!

    i guess this means that there is something wrong....

    any ideas on how to solve this?
     
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  5. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    haha yea sorry, plus the free disk space (6.6 GB) it comes to a grand total of only 45 GB. that leaves at least 10 GB unanswered for assuming that tiger is taking up about 3 GB
     
  6. Mechcozmo macrumors 603

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    Did you ever partition your computer's hard drive, and not format one of the partitions?

    Try restarting and add up everything again. Never heard of a 10GB pagefile space... but you never know.
     
  7. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    no i never partitioned the drive, i dun even know how. i've had this problem with free space for a while now, and didn't bother to post or nething cause i didn't need the space.

    this is rele weird i don't know wat to do
     
  8. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    10GB is being used up by your Windows XP theme. Yikes!

    Seriously though..

    Unmount all mounted drives/images first.

    Use "df" in the terminal to determine how much disk space is used, and use "sudo du -h -d 1" to determine how much space is being used by each directory. Post the results of both here (use code tags please) and we can take a look at it and point at potential size suckers.

    Examples:

    Code:
    yellow% df -h
    Filesystem                Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
    /dev/disk3s9              112G    65G    47G    58%    /
    devfs                     112K   112K     0B   100%    /dev
    fdesc                     1.0K   1.0K     0B   100%    /dev
    <volfs>                   512K   512K     0B   100%    /.vol
    automount -nsl [312]        0B     0B     0B   100%    /Network
    automount -fstab [333]      0B     0B     0B   100%    /automount/Servers
    automount -static [333]     0B     0B     0B   100%    /automount/static
    
    Code:
    yellow% sudo du -h -d 1
    3.0M    ./--UserScripts
    4.0K    ./.Trashes
      0B    ./.vol
     20G    ./Applications
    1.5K    ./automount
    3.4M    ./bin
      0B    ./Cleanup At Startup
    249M    ./Compressed
     16K    ./cores
    8.0K    ./Desktop Folder
      0B    ./dev
    681M    ./Developer
      0B    ./File Transfer Folder
    1.7G    ./Library
     64K    ./Messages Received
    8.0K    ./Network
      0B    ./Network Trash Folder
    2.4G    ./private
    2.1M    ./sbin
    585M    ./sw
    1.1G    ./System
      0B    ./TheVolumeSettingsFolder
     37G    ./Users
    689M    ./usr
    4.0K    ./Volumes
     64G    .
    There will be a little but missing from the root of the drive, but it shouldn't account for too much. You'll notice that the final output from "du" (64GB) is quite close to the size from "df" (65GB).
     
  9. DXoverDY macrumors 6502a

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    holy freakin ugly ass theme... god.. i won't even take the time to throw anything useful in here... what a complete bastardization of an OS X install. you should be shot for even attempting to do that... heck, the author of that theme should be put out of his/her misery. such a sad sight.
     
  10. Makosuke macrumors 603

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    What Yellow said is what you want to do. Try that.

    I'll also add, however (in case you weren't already familiar with this) that no matter what is going on with your drive if you have a 60GB (identified by the manufacturer) drive, you will never get 60GB of data (as reported by the OS) on it. This is because hard drive manufacturers use a different standard for "Gigabytes" than OSes (both Mac and Windows), leading to the disk size reported by the OS being a smaller number than what's printed on the label.

    As such, if you have a 60GB drive it will hold a total of about 56GB as reported by the OS. That doesn't account for your missing space, it's just a reminder once you find what is using it up.

    One note: If it does turn out to be pagefiles somehow errantly left behind that are eating up the space, Panther Cache Cleaner (or Tiger Cache Cleaner, depending) can detele them for you. It'll also do the daily, weekly, and monthly housekeeping to muck out older logs.
     
  11. iMeowbot macrumors G3

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    Ooooo, it's TreeViz but all shiny and glowy! I need that.
     
  12. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Code:
    Filesystem              512-blocks      Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
    /dev/disk0s3             116948016 103184312 13251704    89%    /
    devfs                          192       192        0   100%    /dev
    fdesc                            2         2        0   100%    /dev
    <volfs>                       1024      1024        0   100%    /.vol
    automount -nsl [206]             0         0        0   100%    /Network
    automount -fstab [215]           0         0        0   100%    /automount/Servers
    automount -static [215]          0         0        0   100%    /automount/static
    
    
    Code:
    24K    ./.jmf
     48K    ./.mldonkey
     52K    ./.psi
    4.0K    ./.ssh
      0B    ./.Trash
      0B    ./Applications
    4.6G    ./Desktop
    409M    ./Documents
     33M    ./Incomplete
    1.1G    ./Library
    5.5G    ./Movies
     11G    ./Music
    671M    ./Pictures
      0B    ./Public
    1.7G    ./Shared
     28K    ./Sites
     25G    .
    
    there. thats just for the user though i think. cause i don't have 0B in applications, but all my apps are stored for all users instead of just mine

    and about the XP theme, i like it. its kind of humbling to know that i can make a replica of XP on a mac so that windows acutally works right. :D
     
  13. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    Yeah.. that doesn't help us in this case.. and it's my fault because I missed one critical thing in my above posting.. a trailing slash. Sorry, my bad. Try this again and post back with the results:

    EDITED: Mainly because I don't want /dev to give you a false positive on size (that it doesn't actually have), I need you to do this instead:

    cd /
    sudo du -h -d 1
     
  14. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    ok, i think this is what u wanted

    why does it say it totals like 87 G???? that doesn't seem right.

    Code:
     15M    ./.DataRecycler Folder
     74M    ./.Spotlight-V100
      0B    ./.Trashes
    2.0K    ./.vol
    5.3G    ./Applications
    170M    ./Applications (Mac OS 9)
    1.5K    ./automount
    3.5M    ./bin
      0B    ./cores
      0B    ./Desktop Folder
    2.0K    ./dev
    887M    ./Developer
    4.5G    ./Library
    3.0K    ./Network
    435M    ./private
    2.2M    ./sbin
    1.3G    ./System
    189M    ./System Folder
      0B    ./TheVolumeSettingsFolder
      0B    ./Trash
     35G    ./Users
    719M    ./usr
     38G    ./Volumes
     87G    .
     
  15. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    wait. will i get a different result if i had an external drive and/or dvd/cd in the drive?
     
  16. dejo Moderator

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    What's in your /Volumes?
     
  17. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    Do that, including ejecting CDs and whatnot.. We want to make sure we're just getting your internal boot drive here.

    And then repost the new outputs of:

    df -h

    and

    cd /
    sudo du -h -d 1
     
  18. Makosuke macrumors 603

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    Well, ./Volumes just shows the total size of (other?) mounted volumes, so you can pretty much ignore that number. It's pretty clear comparing the list you just gave and your numbers from the Finder earlier that your unaccounted for 10GB is in your /Users -- you said the Finder reported a total of 25.5GB but I see 35GB below.

    Since you already did a detailed check on your user folder and came up with about the same 25GB, that would appear to indicate that the unaccounted for space is in another user. This would make sense, as I don't believe doing a "get info" on /Users will include files you don't own, since the Finder doesn't have permissions for the files, but the sudo'd command above will.

    Try logging in as any other users on your machine and see what they've got in their Home folders. Don't forget to have a look at the Shared folder and see if something exists in there that you don't have any permissions for.

    If you didn't create any files under other users, it's even possible (though unlikely) that somebody gained access to an account remotely and put stuff there.

    You can try doing:
    cd /Users
    sudo du -h -d 1
    ...which, I believe, should give you the total size of each user's home folder. But perhaps I should defer to yellow on this, as he clearly knows more than I do about the relevant commands.
     
  19. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    That's correct.
     
  20. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    i checked the other user (which is just a backup anyways) there was nothing there.
     
  21. Makosuke macrumors 603

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    Did you try running the command that yellow quoted above? That'll tell you exactly how much storage each user has, and should help narrow things down.
     
  22. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    crap sorry here it is, it only totals 48 GB

    Code:
    15M    ./.DataRecycler Folder
     74M    ./.Spotlight-V100
      0B    ./.Trashes
    1.0K    ./.vol
    5.6G    ./Applications
    170M    ./Applications (Mac OS 9)
    1.5K    ./automount
    3.5M    ./bin
      0B    ./cores
      0B    ./Desktop Folder
    2.0K    ./dev
    887M    ./Developer
    4.5G    ./Library
    3.0K    ./Network
    243M    ./private
    2.2M    ./sbin
    1.3G    ./System
    189M    ./System Folder
      0B    ./TheVolumeSettingsFolder
      0B    ./Trash
     35G    ./Users
    719M    ./usr
     28K    ./Volumes
     48G    .
     
  23. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    wait....then that means that everything is fine..... + 7 GB free space....crap...rele wish i had a bigger drive then
     
  24. Makosuke macrumors 603

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    Yes, as I pointed out before, everything is accounted for by the check you ran there (and before), but you seem to have 10GB of data somewhere in your /Users folder that the Finder isn't reporting; the list below shows 35GB in /Users, where before you said the Finder only reports 25.5GB. I thought that 10GB is what you were trying to identify.

    In which case, you actually didn't do quite the right thing here; instead of typing "cd /Users", you either put a space after the slash or forgot to type/copy in "Users", so you just re-did the check on the top level of your hard drive.

    If you do:
    cd /Users
    it'll take you to the top level of your Users folder, so when you do:
    sudo du -h -d 1
    ...it should give you a list something like this:

    Code:
    1.5M    ./user1
    8.7G    ./user2
    1.5M    ./user3
    8.0K    ./Shared
    8.8G    .
    
    ...which will tell you if the 10GB that the Finder isn't reporting is in your user folder, or another.

    Alternately, if you think you know what everything in that 35GB Users folder is, then you do indeed just need a bigger drive.
     
  25. biohazard6969 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Code:
    7.7M    ./owner
    2.6G    ./Ryan 
    4.3G    ./Ryan Phillips
    2.1G    ./ryan_phillips
     25G    ./ryanphillips
    223M    ./Shared
     35G    .
    ok, now this is REALLY weird. i only have 2 functional accounts on my computer, one entitled Ryanphillips, and the other is Owner. but in the users folder i found that there were these: Ryan Phillips; ryan_phillips; ryanphillips....why are these here. these are obviously the source of the missing GB. i used to have users named this, but i thought i deleted them. since it looks as though i didn't delete them properly, how can i see what is in them. it says i don't have sufficient privilages. i want to make it an account again just to see if there is anything important in them. is there any way to do this?
     

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