What ICC profile does FireFox use?! Colors are killing me.

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by EstorilM, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. EstorilM macrumors regular

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    I didn't have this problem before I got my mac, both the preview for "save for web" and the actual viewing in FireFox display images that are far different than those out of the camera and in the editing screen of PS.

    It's kinda annoying that the split screen "save for web" in photoshop displays the original picture being TOTALLY different from the one you're working on, which defeats the point of having a split-screen - the colors are totally desaturated. I just went through every ICC profile in PS and uploaded it, then viewed it using FireFox and none of them are realistic - I didn't have any problem with IE or Safari. :(

    ..am I screwed?
     
  2. balofagus macrumors regular

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    I don't know if this helps...

    I also find the 'Save for Web' function a little lacking. I've always found that by Converting the Profile to sRGB within Photoshop and then using Save As gets me better results. I may just be neurotic and only think it looks better, but you can try :p
     
  3. EstorilM thread starter macrumors regular

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    Exactly, I've noticed the same thing - and again, I didn't have this problem before I started using PS in OS X. Save As seems to solve most of the problems, outside of FireFox use.
     
  4. apfhex macrumors 68030

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    Because the document you're working on has a color profile, but the outputted JPG doesn't. You can choose to include the profile with the JPG, which might solve your problems (you have to view it in an ICC-aware app of course). Or you could convert the document color before going to Save for Web.
     
  5. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    I am confused, does Firefox itself has its own ICC profile?
     
  6. cookie1105 macrumors 6502

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    Firefox is an color un-managed browser, whereas Safari is a color managed browser.

    Here is a good link that explains it all.

    As great as it is Firefox definitely has some downsides. The conclusion....use safari!
     
  7. EstorilM thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yeah thanks for the tips, what I meant when I talked about all the different ICC profiles I tried was that I actually embedded all of them into different jpeg files and uploaded them, then checked.. none were correct, most of them were different however (so it's like firefox can distinguish differences in profiles, just not display them correctly.)

    It's a conspiracy! They get everyone in the world to use their browser, then laugh behind their backs because everyone in the world is viewing pictures at half their original dynamic range. :(
     
  8. atari1356 macrumors 68000

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    It's not just Firefox, Internet Explorer on PC's doesn't read ICC profiles either.

    If you want your photos to look consistent across browsers then you have to use sRGB and you may need to convert to that profile before saving the jpg.

    I'm having a big problem right now because I've been using iPhoto and it uses something called "Camera RGB" as the profile. Exporting those photos directly from iPhoto results in bland looking unsaturated photos in most browsers... so I have to edit them in Photoshop and convert the profile to sRGB before saving as a jpg.
     
  9. EstorilM thread starter macrumors regular

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    Nope, FireFox doesn't use sRGB - which I also thought was pretty much the standard for web-based viewing of photos. That's the first thing I tried. :( Actually that's what I've been using in the past with PCs and didn't have any problems.
     
  10. Carl Spackler macrumors 6502

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    Yes, it would be nice to choose the color profile in iPhoto, but I guess that's another excuse to buy Aperture. I'm not at my mac, but I do believe you can "convert to profile" in one of the Preview menus, if don't want to do this through Photoshop.

    atari1356, according to this page from Apple, one can use colorsync to assigan a color profile when importing into iPhoto, but I've yet to figure this out in ColorSync utility.
     
  11. traceyambrose macrumors newbie

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    I've been dealing with these issues as well and just came across this:
    http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/web-browser-color-management.html

    worth having a read of . Firefox doesn't use ICC profiles at all, it doesn't matter if you save it with it or not.

    Basically they say to get a consistent result you simply have to convert the photos to an sRGB (without the profile).

    There is no information what so ever on the Mozilla site related to ICC profiles, I love firefox and have sung it's praises from the beginning, I'm now very sad at this massive oversight :(
     
  12. EstorilM thread starter macrumors regular

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    Holy CRAP - I think I figured it out, FireFox uses the ICC profile that your computer is currently set to. Most of us are using Color LCD, right? At least for laptops and probably most desktop LCDs.

    Let me know if this works - the correct image should be the darker / more saturated one.

    The first one is the problem one, embedded with sRGB.
    [​IMG][​IMG]
    The second one is using ColorLCD (my computer's profile, which works for me - the same as the image looks in photoshop.)


    edit: it's not QUITE as saturated as the image in photoshop, but I'm getting somewhere. :p

    Ok here's another example.
    I think another key is that you need to use the Apple ColorMatch engine when convergint to profile in PS, which is something compuwar's link helped me out with, there's a beta ICC program using Apple's CM standard in FireFox- Adobe's engine didn't work the same.
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    woot - big difference! Now it's up to you all to tell me if it looks right on your computers!
     
  13. compuwar macrumors 601

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    I see what's probably the same saturation/hue differences you describe.
     
  14. apfhex macrumors 68030

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    That depends. Are they supposed to look different, or the same? I'm seeing higher saturation in the second of both images.

    Honestly, when I'm exporting for the web, I just convert the documents color profile to whatever my monitor is using (I have a SuperCal profile for my ACD), then Save For Web and not including any profile in the JPG. I get consistent results that way and the images look exactly how I intend.

    I think Firefox is the only browser that has problems like that.
     
  15. EstorilM thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yeah.. I agree that it's probably the only one, but it's also one of the most popular browsers out there soo. It was just a personal thing that was bugging me haha.

    The second images are supposed to look better - those are the images that use ColorLCD ICC profile (since FireFox uses the computer's default profile, if your computer is set to Color LCD, the second picture should look better than the first which uses sRGB.)
     
  16. traceyambrose macrumors newbie

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    but how are they going to look on non LCD screens and is it just a fix for people looking at the pics using firefox on a mac or will it work across the bored? :eek:
     
  17. The Maestro macrumors newbie

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    this issue has been bugging me for a very long time and i was also thinking this


    by not including the profile i think makes the images look the same in all browsers. but then if i use the sRGB profile (and dont include it) then my images just look unsaturated in all browsers. i could edit the colours until i got it right but that is really only a half fix. to get it how it looks in photoshop do i need to convert the profile to colourLCD and then save as a jpeg but without the ICC profile? i want the image to look consistent throughout all browsers .
     
  18. ham2233 macrumors newbie

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    Maestro, that makes sense to me too -- to save without the profile for the sake of consistency. Anybody know for sure how to do this?
     
  19. The Maestro macrumors newbie

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    yeh i have been using this method of a while now and it seems to give the best results. thank god that headache is over lol. i dont even want to think about printing :cool:
     

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