I know when we went from whatever 10.1 was called to 10.2 we couldnt install some apps if we didn't have the latest versions. I'm cool with that I understand progress. Just wanted to start a discussion on what we might get to upgrade on jaguar. Like the mail.app? X-11? I doubt we'd get anything like expose, but maybe a new safari? ichat av? Also what do you think we won't get without Panther?