what major hobby costs more than restoring a boat/ship?

Discussion in 'Community' started by jefhatfield, Feb 3, 2004.

  1. jefhatfield Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    as for hobbies*, i have spent money collecting stamps and coins, restoring old guitars, and believe it or not, taking college courses for the fun of it, but nothing i did was that expensive over a short period of time

    my best friend has taken up buying a 32 foot fishing boat built in 1928 and restoring it to a nearly new state, but not museum quality, so this is a medium restore by boat standards

    over two months ago, he put 5,000 dollars into the lampara boat which was a junker and not fishable

    boat paint goes for 100 to 200 dollars a gallon and brushes and thinner costs another 100 to 150 dollars

    on top of that, over 600 dollars was spent on a new steering column

    and every day that the boat is there, it's 30 dollars for storage in the boat yard and it's been over two months

    hauling the boat out, and putting it back in when its done will cost 500 dollars but there is still work to be done on this antique fishing vessel

    right now, to restore the 5000 dollar boat, he has already put in over 5000 and he has another month to go

    since this is his first boat, and one that does not have parts that are easy to get, and we are in rainy season and it's not always easy to sand and paint, the boat, for a medium restore, has been there longer than any boat of its type for that type of restore than any boat in the over 100 year history of that boatyard

    and oh yeah, 400 for a commercial fishing license but he has to learn how to use the gear to fish, to find the fish, and to navigate

    a new radio, radar, and fish finder computer will set him back another 2000 dollars or so

    hopefully he can find someone to fix the engine problems the boat has but the yard will gladly provide an expert for 90 dollars and hour to fix stuff if it is fixable

    personally, i can think of better ways to spend 13-15k over a 90 day period:p

    ...did someone say that boats as a hobby is like throwing cash into a hole in the water?

    * - i would not consider buying and fixing up a house a hobby or spending money on a good college education...those are investments but buying a large fishing boat with a small fish hold makes lampara fishing a losing proposition most of the time in the waters off of northern california
  2. Dippo macrumors 65816


    Sep 27, 2003
    Charlotte, NC
    Makes me feel better about spending money on upgarding and tweaking my computers.

    Of course I would have bought a couple of XServes if I had that kinda money to burn.
  3. RandomDeadHead macrumors 6502

    Feb 8, 2003
    You wouldn't think about it but, concert taping can get VERY expensive.

    Sure you can get a mini disc recording rig for around $300 or so but if your going to do it right you can easily spend $10000+.

    Take for example my club rig:
    two Neumann M 149 Tube microphones, $4000 each.
    A shock mount for each mic, $400
    Small mic umbrella, $10
    16 foot mic stand plus t-bar, $500
    2 decent mic cables $200 each
    Tascam portable dat deck: $1500
    Apogee mini-me portable mic pre amp: $1200
    Apogee mini-DAC Digital audio converter: $1100
    Plus all the little stuff, bags, batteries etc.
    And this is only the setup I use when recording in a small venue, such as a theatre, club, or bar.
    For Coliseum recording I use, AKG C12 VR Condenser Mics. also 4K each.
    For amphitheatre or stadium recording I use, Sennheiser MKH 70-1 Long shotgun mic's, $2000 each.

    It's also not uncommon to see people at shows with $50000+ worth of equip, Using all vintage equipment.

    Now the most prestigious group of tapers are "The Ten" as they are known. They are the ONLY people allowed to tape Bob Dylan live. These are people who have been to EVERY Bob Dylan Show in the last twenty years, including europe and asia. These people take concert taping to the extreme, most of them are over 50, and all of them are retired multi millionaires. The go to every concert, living in huge plush tour busses that are often times nicer then the one Dylan himself tours in. The busses have everything they need for recording, including $200000 DAW's. They have been known to lug upwards of $100000 worth of equipment into coliseums, and not think twice about their investment.

    The picture is from a Grateful Dead show in early 90's.

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  4. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    my friend makes 19 dollars an hour but works part time and on call...his net income is 20,000 a year or less

    ...so then how does he keep up such an expensive and time consuming hobby?

    as for the time consuming part, many weeks he works less than 20 hours a week and then when he does work, he sometimes gets night shifts so it opens the day up for him allowing him to work on the boat during the day

    he has several helpers who pitch in here and there, for free, including me

    one friend knows engines really well so that cuts down on his boat mechanic costs and his friend can do some of the engine work for free

    though he is 31, he lives at home rent free and his parents feed him, do his laundry, and just about everything else..so in that aspect he is spoiled but they do not shell out thousands like some parents seem to do in the resort area where i live...it's almost like a disease and some of the young people who never work live like the characters of 90210...i don't know if it's a regional thing with all the tourist, agricultural, and high tech money in northern california which has made many a people very lazy, or if this is some sort of national phenomena

    some of the other people in the area who restore boats usually have millions of dollars and could afford to hire professionals to do nearly all the work and they just enjoy doing only some of the work and enjoying the final product

    with my friend and his limited income, he basically never knows if he will be able to restore his boat to the level he wants it to be so he enjoys the process of rebuilding and doing it mostly by himself with help from friends sometimes
  5. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    now that is a hobby with hidden costs!!

    i never would have thought:p
  6. Spizzo macrumors 6502

    Feb 1, 2004
    Pacific NW
    I'll teach him to Navigate, find fish, and use the equipment, in exchange for, maybe...a...new dual 2Ghz G5.
  7. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus


    Jan 2, 2001
    Metairie, LA
  8. virividox macrumors 601


    Aug 19, 2003
    Manila - Nottingham - Philadelphia - Santa Barbar
    horses and polo is an expensive hobby, a good thoroughbred can cost an arm and a leg, plus the stables the training and transporting the horses around, plus u never just have one horse.
  9. mactastic macrumors 68040


    Apr 24, 2003
    Ask Leno how much money he spends restoring some of those cars he's got. There's a guy here in SLO town that's done a few of them for him, and they ain't cheap. Racing things isn't cheap either, cars, horses, jet boats cost a ton and you need to have a complete backup vehicle if you're serious. And then there's the crazy 'extreme car stereo' guys who go through amps like they cost a nickle. Or people who buy sports teams. That guy who keeps flying his baloon solo around the world spends a ton of money for that. Art collecting gets expensive. There's a gallery up the street from me where the sculptures go for up to $50,000.
  10. cubist macrumors 68020

    Jul 4, 2002
    Muncie, Indiana
    Yes, if this guy ends up spending $15K on this fishing boat, that's still pretty cheap by boat standards.
  11. Mudbug Administrator emeritus


    Jun 28, 2002
    North Central Colorado
    not just flying, but building a kit plane? Restoring a classic car?

    Or more mainstream - how about just playing golf regularly? If you have a country club membership, you're talking about around $3000 a year in dues, not to mention most bigger places require you to purchase stock in the "corporation" to join, along with charging greensfees and food costs, not to mention the cost of the equipment to play. A good driver alone can be hundreds of dollars. And hey, balls ain't cheap - let alone the fact that most people that play LOSE balls on a regular basis, regardless of the level of play. And if you have a temper, clubs can get broken :)
  12. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    that's good to know as far as boats are concerned...i think if he could keep it under 15k that would be nice, but his lack of knowledge of knowing exactly how to fix the thing is what is making this more expensive than it has to be

    what originally takes experienced boat people a week, paint job and replacing a couple of major parts, has taken him more than two months already at 30 dollars a day for storage and use of tools in the boat yard...the people who run the boat yard have no recollection of such a boat being out of the water so long in its entire history for what is being done to it

    serious boat people know that time is money so they get to it, fix the boat and get it catching fish to bring in income asap...nobody keeps a working, licensed fishing boat out of the water for months for routine work...that is unless they have no idea what they are doing ;)

    ...one would think that it is being gold plated and encrusted with diamonds, or abandoned like some boats have been from time to time

    boats are a strange hobby and many people get in over their head financially and every year, many boats are abandoned and signed over to the docks for free and these boats are put up for auction for very, very cheap...and either they are used by someone who can afford its upkeep or they end up in the auction yard at next year's big sale ;)

    i was tempted once, being a navy and military history buff since childhood, to buy a small navy ship they had for sale for 110 dollars...being of world war II vintage, this old shore patrol boat (similar to a coast guard 50' cutter), had major repairs to keep it afloat since it had taken on water and was listing:rolleyes:
  13. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    too bad you don't live in monterey harbor...i would convince him to do that and it would be worth it

    he knew he got in way over his head but he had to make a statement in life:

    hehe, let me explain...

    being that he never bought groceries in his life or never once bought a box of laundry detergent, i think he needed to be resposible for something

    he has lived at home since day 1 and he is now 31...like mentioned before, he doesn't pay for food, utilities, or rent and doesn't cook or do laundry...he has never really done anything in life besides finish high school and be a grocery clerk...so he is frustrated if you can imagine...his brother got to go to college while his cousin embarked on a very exciting and high paying job in the medical field...most of his friends got married and moved out and left the area...he has never left the west coast and has only visited southern california or the northern west coast of vancouver and seattle

    when he turned 30 i think he felt he needed to break out of his spoiled comfort zone and he didn't want to end up like a lot of the kids who grew up near the pebble beach golf links spending their inheritance...ok, he and his brother are set to inherit a million dollar+ house and large property but he does not want to just cruise in life for his second half and be a coach potato

    not everybody in life leaves their comfort zone and makes a statement in life nor do they have to...but his father and mother came from hard working, working class backgrounds and his parents never wanted their kids to struggle like they did and wanted their kids to live an easier life...but they did too good of a job...the two 30 something brothers still live at home and the mom irons their underwear and the kids are so well fed they are around 300 lbs each:rolleyes:
  14. miloblithe macrumors 68020


    Nov 14, 2003
    Washington, DC
  15. krimson macrumors 65816


    Oct 29, 2003
    Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia
    collecting aircraft carriers?

    I'd say collecting japanese swords is pretty damn expensive.
  16. RandomDeadHead macrumors 6502

    Feb 8, 2003
    Now thats what I call an expensive hobby! I wonder how much fuel it guzzles, just to take it "around the block".
  17. crenz macrumors 6502a


    Jul 3, 2003
    Shanghai, China
  18. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    ok, he he, i said major hobby, as in common and well established

    not buying picassos or dating supermodels:p
  19. coopdog macrumors 6502a

    Oct 5, 2002
    The Great Midwest
  20. jefhatfield thread starter Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    buying macs is like shredding money

    hey steve, lower the prices, ok?? ;)

    ibook 899 usd
    emac 599 usd, for instance
    and lower prices across the board with more ram
  21. Apple //e macrumors 6502

    Jun 21, 2003
    Re: what major hobby costs more than restoring a boat/ship?

    i used to fix boats. it is very expensive and hard work. brightwork anyone? the worst thing is that you have to pay dock fees every month and maintain it constantly. if you neglect it for one season, it requires even more work, especially woodies

    people used to offer me boats for free. i told them i couldnt afford it
  22. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Racing horses, boats, cars, planes, etc.

    Then there are the Richard Branson hobbies...

    which may set a world record for the insane waste of money -- if he continues trying for world records.
  23. pseudobrit macrumors 68040


    Jul 23, 2002
    Jobs' Spare Liver Jar
    Heh. I'm about to start building a currach (traditional Irish rowboat) out of Kevlar for the spring. I hope to have it in the water by April.

    The fabric, epoxy and basic parts are going to incur costs of at least $300-400. I can't wait to find the hidden ones :eek:
  24. wdlove macrumors P6


    Oct 20, 2002
    I have what I consider to be several expensive hobbies. Art and dogs cost a lot of money and time. Have done both for the majority of my married life.
  25. gwuMACaddict macrumors 68040


    Apr 21, 2003
    washington dc

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