What should liberals do?

Discussion in 'Community' started by whiskeybravo, Nov 14, 2002.

  1. whiskeybravo macrumors member

    Jul 25, 2002
    First,I find it interesting that the original post made the assumption that most readers here are "Liberal and Intelligent" as if those qualities are somehow joined at the hip. Nevertheless, I don't see anyone jumping up to scream "I am NOT intelligent!" but there do seem to be a fair number wo certainly do not consider themselves politically liberal.

    I digress. The issue is actually quite simple IMHO. When society is fat, dumb and happy, such as it was following the Reagan years, The sheep in the population begin to feel guilty about issues close to a liberal's heart. Homelessness, hunger, environment, etc. This is when the liberals have the opportunity to push their agenda. Conversely, when things start to get tough and leadership is needed, almost universally the public concious swings to the conservative side.

    Of course there are exceptions to this, and each positions strengths and weeknesses have changed with history, but it is generally true.

    Why? Look at principals. What is the foundation of the classic "Liberal" platform? Social equity. What does this have to do with prosperity or security? Nothing, it is a feel-good foundation. On the other hand, the classic "Conservative" foundation is keep your hands out of my pockets, and hold people responsible for their OWN actions. When they are about to lay people off where you work, are you more concerned that they might cut someone who has economic hardships, or YOU?

    Whiskeybravo - a lousy stinking conservative republican who clearly hates trees, likes dirty water, and kicks homeless people for fun.

    Damn, posted in the wrong place. Since I'm a dumb republican, can someone tell me how to move it?
  2. jefhatfield Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    it's ok ;)

    when a post gets in the wrong place, it takes a life of its own since a thread too long gets too much history behind it and new posters don't know how to jump in

    what you mention above is normal american politics, back and forth and these years are the conservative years...at least unless W can't turn things around, then it will swing back the other way quickly

    i see bush as a one term president most likely and while i don't think he will get re-elected, he won't be hated either

    now that he has the senate and the house, he doesn't have them in such a large enough percentage to get anything done so any failings of his policies will be put on his shoulders, and not the government as a whole

    clinton had the advantage of coming in strong as where bush came in during a contested election and never had the will of the people solidly behind him

    reagan also had a strong momentum coming in during 1981 and that helped him get re-elected, too

    if w gets re-elected, he would have pulled off a political miracle imho and if he ends up a legendary two term president, he will shut up even the naysayers within his own party

    even w's family groomed jeb for the white house job and the few times i have seen jeb on television, he certainly has a charisma his brother lacks
  3. mcrain macrumors 68000


    Feb 8, 2002
    Even if I was a Republican, I'd be a little weirded out about the idea of three presidents coming from one family.
  4. Chisholm macrumors regular


    May 31, 2002
    Tuscaloosa, Alabama
    It seems kinda' icky to me. Not really incest, but just gross government.:p

  5. macktheknife macrumors 6502a


    Jan 24, 2002
    Re: What should liberals do?

    Remember that true Classical Liberalism derives its ideas from the Enlightenment, where many philosophers like John Locke, Rene Rousseau, and Adam Smith called for liberty for the individual--free from governmental constraints. The Conservatives like Edmund Burke actually wanted more governmental intervention to protect the current social order.

    This division was turned on its head when FDR campaigned as a liberal and sweept into power in the 30s calling for greater government intervention.
  6. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Another political thread, another pounding headache ...

  7. whiskeybravo thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 25, 2002
    Re: Re: What should liberals do?

    Absolutely. That was the point I tried to make about political directions changing. Of course it applies to social directions as well. The terms conservative and liberal are only valid in the context of time.
  8. job macrumors 68040


    Jan 25, 2002
    in transit
    Re: Re: Re: What should liberals do?


    What was "liberal" years ago is "conservative" today.
  9. wdlove macrumors P6


    Oct 20, 2002
  10. cubist macrumors 68020

    Jul 4, 2002
    Muncie, Indiana

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