What's up with iDVD and 90 minutes

Discussion in 'Mac Apps and Mac App Store' started by MorganX, May 8, 2003.

  1. MorganX macrumors 6502a

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    Can someone please tell me why iDVD can only burn high quality for 60mins, and low quality for 90 when every $50 DVD burning program can do 2hrs?

    I just don't get it.
     
  2. DaedalusDE macrumors regular

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    how about... iDVD isn't a 50 dollar program, its a free program... I agree with you that it would be nice to be able to do more than 90 minutes, especially since i have to make dvds of shows and its a real bitch to have to split disks one and two in the middle of an act... i guess that apple feels that anyone who is really serious about making dvds will invest the money into DVDSP... iDVD geared towards the consumer level, not the prosumer or professional level
     
  3. MorganX thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    That's the problem, the $50 PC programs are not geared towards professionals either. They are geared towards the consumer, prosumer.

    And I do not consider iLife a freebie that should have limited experience. The macintosh experience is sold as a bundle, controled hardware/software combo.

    With the sheer proliferation of more capable, cheap, consumer applications for personal DVD authoring, I'm thinking there has to be another answer. I just don't know what it is.

    I just don't think Apple believes crippling iDVD will make consumers who want 2hr DVDs on a, 2hr DVD go out and buy DVD Studio.
     
  4. iJon macrumors 604

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    its a lot to do with dvd r 5's. hopefully when dvd r 9's come onto the market apple will take advantage of it and we can fit more. i dont think apple is crippling idvd, idvd isntmeant to compete with pro, same with imovie. dvd studio pro is if you want to export to dlt tapes, dvd r 5, 9, 18 or whatever. dvd studio pro is a very powerful program, it is meant to create dvds from scratch.

    iJon
     
  5. MorganX thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Thanks!
     
  6. cesar macrumors member

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    for more than 90 minutes, got DVDStudioPro.....
     
  7. iJon macrumors 604

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    well wer cant go that far, dvd studio pro is a pricey investment for an extra 30 minutes. it all has to do with the dvdr5 disc. apple could add an extra 30 minutes, but quality is sacrificed. most people i work with dont know that quality is lowered when you do a hour and a half movie. people in gerneral will choose the highest without really thinking of quality loss. dvd studio pro is great to just make, then see what disc will be needed, and set it off to remastered.

    iJon
     
  8. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    AFAIK blank DVD-9s will never hit the consumer market unless the current manufacturing proccess changes. To make a DVD-9 disc they basically burn two DVD-5 layers and glue one layer on top of the other.

    I'm not exactly pleased w/that aspect of iDVD either, but thankfully none of my projects have exceded 60 minutes. And since the price of DVDSP dropped by 50% it's actually almost w/in my budget (after I get FCP 4 of course ;)). I understand your frustration but I'd rather have iDVD than a $50 DVD program for a PC. When you start getting into the $100-$200 range my opinion could start changing though. I don't know how well it would work, but it would be nice if Apple made a "Plus" add-on or something for iDVD that added more advanced features for $75 or so, but that doesn't seem like Apple's style though.


    Lethal
     
  9. rice_web macrumors 6502a

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    I'd like to see Apple implement a two-hour option into iDVD, but simplify it for Average Joe.

    Under the options menu, a slider would exist where Average Joe would choose the approximate length of his DVD (three options: 60, 90, and 120 minutes) and a short explanation of the quality loss would be listed underneath.
     
  10. jholzner macrumors 65816

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    And...it's not actually a free program. You get it free with your mac...but if you want to upgrade it's $50.00 for iLife...and since all the other Apps are free downloads except iDVD...I guess you're paying $50.00 for iDVD. I dont' have a Superdrive but I assumed the 90min limit was common to all DVD burning software...but if it isn't I think Apple needs to get it up to par.
     
  11. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Like I said in another thread the amount of video you can put onto a DVD, in terms of minutes, is determinded by the amount of compresssion. I've seen consumer DVD software that advertised burning up to 6hrs per disc and heard people talk about how to get "high quality" DVDs at 2Mbps so you could get 4hrs onto one DVD. And I was like WTF? Video that compressed would probably look as bad as a 2nd or 3rd generation VHS dub.

    For better or for worse Apple has made the decission that iDVD will burn quality over quantity. And instead of just yelling at Apple to make iDVD better people need to go harass Sonic and Pinnacle and get them to make Mac versions of their software. We shouldn't have to depend on Apple to make every piece of software we want.


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  12. iJon macrumors 604

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    yeah i know how they are made, i was just stating if manufacturing did ever change things would be different. at least with dvd studio pro you can design the dvd and send it off to someone to make it into a dvdr9 for you.

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