What's your opinion on the MacBook Pro not being a professional's computer?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by MacSumo, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. macrumors regular

    Nov 26, 2013
    From http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1rh943/hear_me_on_this_macbook_pro_retina_is_not_for/

    Anybody here tried to render complex projects in after effects, and also checked their temperatures?
  2. macrumors 6502

    Jun 8, 2011
    Define "professional"

    You will encounter a plethora of different classifications of what one deems professional.

    If it gets the job done in a timely manner and is beneficial to your own workflow, then by all means use the machine that best matches that criteria. Playing the min/max game on specifications and/or theoretical performance is a lesson in futility.
  3. thread starter macrumors regular

    Nov 26, 2013
    Good point.

    Here's the definition of professional:

    Professional writer: yes, the macbook pro is suitable as long as the keyboard does not heat up and burn the writer's fingers.

    Professional digital artist who does print work: no, the macbook pro has a bad display

    Professional digital artist who does video work: no, the macbook pro over heats when rendering.
  4. macrumors 6502a

    smoking monkey

    Mar 5, 2008
  5. macrumors 6502a


    Sep 24, 2013
    New member, starts bashing, Apple crippled, mission accomplished.
  6. thread starter macrumors regular

    Nov 26, 2013

    Can you stick to the topic? There are clear issues outlined.
  7. macrumors demi-god

    Oct 14, 2005
    Virginia Beach
    I'm a professional systems analyst. No problems with my rMBP. Probably the most common notebook seen when I'm with other IT professionals at conventions, training, etc.
  8. macrumors regular

    Mar 6, 2012

    So... what work is not considered professional?
  9. macrumors 6502

    Jul 22, 2011
    I'll be surprised if professionals actually use this computer vs fans/students. :)

    I have no more burn in issues with a swap from LG->Sammy.
    The colors are fine.
  10. thread starter macrumors regular

    Nov 26, 2013
    That's nice to hear.

    In your line of work, do you utilize the full capabilities of the CPU? The problems with the macbook pro shouldn't affect you if you don't have a need to care about color accuracy, display quality, or push the CPU to do intensive calculations.
  11. macrumors G3


    May 18, 2008
    Hartford, CT

    As for the displays, (still searching for the article) apple sells the best pre calibrated displays on the market across their line, with the exception of the retina mini but that was a tradeoff given the current tech for backlighting.
  12. thread starter macrumors regular

    Nov 26, 2013
    Can you please explain the criteria that make it the best? It's just that this was linked straight from macrumors:


    And don't forget this 500 page topic:


    Or the yellow ting issue:


    I'm at loss of how apple has the "best" precalibrated screens when their screens suffer from ghosting, yellow tinting, and low color gamut.
  13. macrumors regular

    Mar 6, 2012
    Whatever is the best when you don't own it. Like the girl who you never banged.
  14. macrumors regular

    Sep 30, 2012
    Tucson, Arizona, USA
    If a person didn’t like the Macbook Pro there are many other brands of computers they could choose.

    But that person would most likely be in a very small percentage of “professional users”

    Why not get a Dell and let all the other “professional users” make their own choices rather than you decide whats good for everyone else.
  15. macrumors newbie

    Jul 4, 2012
    Sure, doesn't really matter if a project is complex or not. With rendering its usually between 90c en 100c.


    well doh, it's not like they need real color accuracy, what the poster here is talking about.
  16. macrumors 6502

    Jun 8, 2011
    I'm pretty sure a professional digital artist or videographer would be using a larger external display that is calibrated and increases their screen real estate if the MBPr does not fit their exacting standards of screen quality. Perhaps relying on the processing power of the machine. Feel free to chime in if you are one of these.

    At the end of the day, if you don't think it's a match, pick something else. Noone is forcing you to buy it.

    But, I'm sure there are plenty of people who make a living and use the MBPr as their primary machine.
  17. macrumors regular

    Sep 18, 2011
    Let's remember how apple has sold hundreds of thousands of these units, and of those amounts just these couple thousand people are actually on this forum. Then of those people, this small amount are reporting issues. No one comes to say how great their computer is running. Whenever computers are mass produced, there is going to be some amount of failure rate. Bottom line, these are extremely small amounts of units made that are experiencing problems. I have a rMBP and have zero issues whatsoever. If you don't even own a model, why are you complaining anyways? If you don't like these computers, don't buy one. There are plenty of alternatives that you can buy.
  18. macrumors demi-god

    Oct 14, 2005
    Virginia Beach
    The title of this thread is "What's your opinion on the Macbook pro not being a professional's computer?" I'm a professional. I gave my opinion.
  19. macrumors 6502a

    Sep 18, 2013
    Manchester, UK
    My screen looks perfect, thanks :D
    First gen LG and still cool, bright whites and bright, vibrant colours.
    No ghosting, no yellow tint.
  20. macrumors Core


    Feb 9, 2008
    San Jose (CA)
    I guess they should rename it 'MacBook Amateur' then.
  21. macrumors 6502a

    Ice Dragon

    Jun 16, 2009
    Another supplier should be used in addition to LG and Samsung and perhaps they should drop LG all together. Samsung also seems to do well on the SSD front. Is Sandisk the ones who make the PCIe SSDs? I thought Samsung did that.
  22. thread starter macrumors regular

    Nov 26, 2013
    I agree. LG should be dropped, and maybe Samsung, too. For the price tag of a macbook pro 15", the display has to be 10+bit, no dithering, factory calibrated, no dead pixels, and good uniformity with no backlight bleed. I've realized few people here actually calibrate their monitors, let alone know how.

    The "retina" gimmick needs to go away if they're sticking to 15.4" displays. Many professionals require actual real estate, not retina marketing resolutions of 1440x900. CAD designers, artists doing print work, and special FX designers need the higher screen real estate...true 2k resolution on a larger monitor. The 15.4" rMBP maxes out at 1920x1200. If you go any higher, you'll need a magnifying glass.
  23. macrumors newbie

    Nov 23, 2011
    I use it for web + mobile design work as well as some illustration and man it gets super hot super quick. I also dont know if thats Apple or Adobes fault but both PS and AI eat up a ton of RAM real quick.

    I do most of my heavy work on an external display now because I cant stand the blurriness in Photoshop using the scaled resolutions and just how hot it gets. It honestly it performs silky smooth when I use an external display and I dont notice any chugging or stutters. I guess its having to push less pixels?
  24. macrumors 6502a

    Ice Dragon

    Jun 16, 2009
    I agree with everything except you wanting to drop Samsung and only because I don't know of other quality component makers.
  25. thread starter macrumors regular

    Nov 26, 2013
    Thank you! Finally, someone that chimes in with experience, too.

    I've tested tons of macbook pro retinas, and they suffer from the problem you described. The unibody of the laptop is either uncomfortably cold when not in use, or uncomfortably hot when in actual use, like you're doing.

    I bet your temps are near 70c when working in photoshop and illustrator. You are very lucky you don't have to do any video editing work, because your temps will sky rocket.

    Anyone reading this post should test it. Go download a trial version of After Effects CC. Then, create a new composition and add a complex fractal that generates frames for up to 10 minutes. Now hit render and watch your macbook pro BURN. I will pay anyone here $20 via paypal if you can render a project file I give on a macbook pro while not having your cpu temps go above 90c. You have to take a video of it and include your username while videotaping.

    The terms of the contest are:

    1) You must completely render the project file I give you in After Effects CC. You're only allowed to load it, add it to the render queue, and hit render
    2) You must have temperature guage pro running while recording. I must see your temps in real time. If any one of your temps exceed 90C for more than 30 seconds, you are disqualified. I will be looking at the temperatures of all of your cores, along with the average core temp.
    3) Any editing of the recorded video will lead to disqualification
    4) If any of your temps reach or exceed 100C, you are disqualified

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