When is $1 billion a lot of money?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by mactastic, Sep 13, 2005.

  1. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Not when it's for a couple days of the Iraq war.

    Not when it's for tax cuts.

    Not when it's for Medicare.

    Not when it's for an energy bill that even Bush says doesn't reduce our dependancy on foreign oil.

    Not when space-based weapons are under consideration.

    Not when it's aid for Israel.

    When it's for hurricane assistance. Suddenly the fiscal conservatives are finding their principles are at stake...
    What a wanker. It's worth spending $5.6 billion a month to bring freedom to the Iraqi people, but it's not worth spending that money on Americans who've suffered from a natural disaster? How can that be?
     
  2. jsw Moderator emeritus

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    The Americans are poor, black, and Democrats.
     
  3. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    If you are buying from the McDonald's Value Menu, it's a lot of money.

    But once you let a bunch of layers of corporations, contractors, and/or government entities between the money and the final purchase, it's a lot of profit.

    When you are rebuilding a city devastated by anything or rebuilding something in the US, it tends to be a lot of money -- because voting for assistance in somebody else's state, may mean pork gets cut in your state.

    It'll get spent, but not well -- and the pork will be sweetheart loans to corporations in your state that do not need it, and there will be less money for small businesses and people trying to rebuild.
     
  4. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    You mean, just like in Iraq?
     
  5. skunk macrumors G4

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    Don't worry, the value of a billion dollars will decline over time until it's worth practically nothing at all.
     
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    Yes, the people need food, housing, water, and security -- so let's build them a super Walmart.
     
  7. tristan macrumors 6502a

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    I know you're kidding buddy but $1B would go a long way at Walmart!
     
  8. mactastic thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Actually the value of a dollar isn't really the point. The insane justifications for spending it versus not spending it are what really get me. Where were these 'principled conservatives' when the money was for tax cuts for the wealthy? Where were they when the WH was blowing smoke up their asses and telling them Iraq would cost well under $100 billion? Where was their concern for the federal deficit when Congress was busy giving away untold billions in subsidies to the energy folks?

    Of course when they do vote their views you get things like the oft-lauded (around here anyway) Ron Paul voting against the federal aid package to hurricane victims. Is that what compassion looks like? I don't think so.
     
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    and where are the trickler-downers to say that money spent on NOLA reconstruction will find its way to jobs for the middle and lower class?
     
  10. mactastic thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Hell I've been turning the idea of relocating to New Orleans for work myself. I like jazz and cajun food.

    But I don't think I really want to leave the California coast...
     
  11. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    1 billion dollars is obviously way too much to spend on any social programme.

    Now, if you're going to pump it into war or corporate welfare, it's too little.
     
  12. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    You're an architect, right? You might be able to score a temporary gig at a local firm. The demand for designers should be huge. I'll bet some of it could even be "phoned in" from home.
     
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    I don't believe in using force to take money from people who earned it to give to others, however that is a rule of conduct *for everyday life.* And this is not everyday life, it's an emergency. And precisely because it's an emergency, you can pay out without giving the principle away to socialists (i.e. without conceding that therefore every day life should be a welfare state)

    The hurricane wasn't their fault, it wasn't due to their own choices etc. I don't see why even a pure free marketer could not vote for it.
     
  14. zimv20 macrumors 601

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    just like the federal response! ;-)
     
  15. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    Because it was their free market choice to live in a dangerous area. And it was their free choice to stay in the city as they were warned to leave.

    Just like they chose to recieve a substandard education and chose to remain poor.

    Some people just like to be crapped on.
     
  16. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    IOW, you don't believe in taxation. This is one of the more curious conservative viewpoints I hear fairly regularly. I never understood how any government, no matter how large or small you believe it should be, could be run without taxing somebody.
     
  17. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    Donations.
     
  18. skunk macrumors G4

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    Tax-deductible, of course.
    :)
     
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    It's theoretically possible to run a government without taxation. Here are some alternatives:

    - just print money (creates inflation, of course)
    - legal monopolies (anything from telephone service to amtrak)
    - permits, usage fees, etc
    - fines (give lots of speeding tickets)

    Of course our government does all of this in addition to taxes!
     
  20. mactastic thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Well you have to have some of those around so you have something to raise revenue with when you tell people you're going to cut taxes without cutting spending....
     
  21. kalisphoenix macrumors 65816

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    "Why should I pay someone else's way? I make enough money to pay for my own health insurance, my child's education, my vehicle, my house, and so on. What do you mean, college loans? Bah, I didn't have to get any of those. That's why God provided parents."

    That Randroid ******** would work fine if everyone were created equal in the eyes of all established science, as well as being born equally situated to every other person extant in terms of parenting, environment, opportunities, et cetera.

    Since no two people are alike (the @#$^ing point of the anti-Collectivist "Objectivist" ****), no two people are equal. Thus, any economic system that prides itself on leaving the weak to beg for food in the streets will punish with poverty those who are less advantaged than most. Which should not be the role of economics. Economics should provide for all while rewarding the most productive.

    *grumbles* Private Island. Private Island. Private Island.
     

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