Where is the awesome new musical movement?

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  1. lmalave macrumors 68000

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    Ok, so I happened to be listening to "Anarchy in the U.K." today, and I started thinking: man why isn't there any new music emerging at least as groundbreaking as the Sex Pistols. We have all the ingredients don't we? Turmoil. Malaise. Heck, there's even a new baby boom. C'mon kids, is the best that could come out of the new baby boom Britney and N'Sync? Oh yeah, now the kids are branching out to Avril Lavigne :rolleyes:

    By all rights we should be due for something big. The last exciting period in music was the early 90's which saw the emergence of grunge ("Smells Like Teen Spirit" set the seminal moment), gangsta rap ("F*** the Police" was the seminal moment), and a little bit later the beginnings of drum n' bass / trip-hop (not sure what the seminal monent is here, I caught on to it quite late).

    So what's the next big thing? Am I just missing it 'cause I'm an old fuddy-duddy? The only really new thing going on here in NYC is Electroclash, which is electro/techno music with a Bowie-esque decadent/androgynous style (or, alternatively post-punk new-wave/Romantic style, they're rather similar). I personally don't like it, though - the whole scene seems rather pretentious. What else is going on out there in the music world?
     
  2. medea macrumors 68030

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    sorry man but there is plenty going on in the music scene, you just arnt aware of it, and it's not your fault there just is not much exposure in the states for anything outside of typical mtv garbage, what I would recommend you doing is go down to your local Borders (or B&N if you like) and check out some indie and u.k. music mags and such like NME, URB, Xlr8r, Wire, and plenty others, also check out some sites online like my favorite for reviews www.pitchforkmedia.com
    tell me what your interested in and I'll be happy to make some recommendations.
     
  3. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    if you mean "pop" revolution, i think that's pathetic. i think that the pop-style movements really started by the beatles hav just gone to hell. if you want to find innovation and depth in music, i wouldn't be listening to pop music, or wait around for it to come around. make the effort, as medea said, to find the new vibes in music. they are indeed there.
     
  4. lmalave thread starter macrumors 68000

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    But how "new" are they? I'm not talking evolutionary incremental stuff. Of course there is a myriad of interesting stuff out there. Always has been. Always will be. Millions of artists experimenting will of course come up with all sorts of different stuff. I'm referring to significant movements. For example, wether or not you like hard-core rap, "F*** the Police" was a freakin' atomic bomb that marked a departure point in one of the major new musical forms of the last few decades. Similarly, "Anarchy in the U.K." marked a pretty radical departure. Yes there are precursors that hinted at it, but "Anarchy" was still totally fresh. Anything like that out there?

    I guess you answered my question, though. There's nothing that's setting the world on fire. Pretty lame if you ask me. The world needs it right now...
     
  5. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    have you heard the Dismemberment Plan? i thought they were a pretty radical departure from the norm, sometimes even a departure from the normal definition of music itself... you should check them out if you haven't. they are on their final tour before they break up though.
     
  6. lmalave thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I think that's a bit shortsighted. Was it pathetic when Rock and Roll came along? Swing? Jazz? How about the Waltz? People thought Johann Strauss whas a dance-music composing sellout :rolleyes:

    Popular music is the soundtrack to history, so I don't think it can so easily be dismissed is as "pathetic."
     
  7. lmalave thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Cool, I'll check them out :cool:
     
  8. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    i never said that pop music has always been trashy. I love the beatles to death. some of their popular music, though, showed signs of a deterioration of pop music, and it's really gone downhill from there. the 80's pop really displayed this. sure, there are some great artists who manage to be popular these days, but by and large that stuff is trash. it does, though, symbolize history, i guess, and the cultural hell the mass of america is getting into. read amusing ourselves to death to see what i mean. but alas, no, i am not shortsighted as you suggest. swing, jazz, rock and roll were still pretty valid forms, rock progressively less so in many ways, but certainly jazz and swing. and classical music was pop in it's time. i'm not dissing pop by virtue of its being pop. sorry.
     
  9. lmalave thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Ah, well, we do indeed live in vulgar times. I think this has a lot to do with technological change. Modern manufacturing has vastly improved our standard of living but led to an ever more consumerist, ever more disposable society and culture. And then of course the medium has an effect. Radio led to the rise of the 4-minute pop song. Television has led to the MTV hegemony over music.
     
  10. Judo macrumors regular

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    Maybe there are to many people watching and listening to mainstream outlets of music that don't realize that there is anything worth looking for outside of that box for there to be any kind of groundbreaking revolution in music.
    I don't really think there needs to be one either, cause if you do look outside of that box for 10 minuntes you will find some mind blowing music out here, but I guess it would be good if something did come along in the mainstream and ruffle up this Boy band/Girl band, R&B, poser rock, etc, etc dross that gets hammered out everyyear and forgotten the next.
    Mainstream can end up tainting good music though.
    It dosn't bother me in the slightist, I have the music I like to listen to and others will have theirs.


    Anyone else here lovvvve Mr Scruff???
     
  11. conceptdev macrumors regular

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    There is plenty of quality music in the world. But I am going to offer a thought - there has been for the past several years groundbreaking changes in the music industry. Content aside the entire system of music production and dissemination is suffering a severe crisis - how that plays out in the next several years will change the environment. Its a historical time for the medium.

    As far as movements go - everything culturally follows an evolutionary path and then one day it reaches a critical mass and POW you have people saying there is a movement and fanboys trying to mimic or adopting an aesthetic. I like to think of it kind of like philosophy you have different schools - whether they are based on an idea, a method an aesthetic or a "sound." They never stop growing in the background and permutating and from time to time they come into vogue or pull of something really spectacular and garner attention. Take drum and bass for example it had a few days in the sun and was a very cool thing in its early days but personally I think most of the early stuff sucks I think it took time to mature and become really tasty.

    Even a mythical moment like the 1976 Sex Pistols gig didn't stop there it just put ideas in peoples heads that whent in many different directions.

    Judo: Only have a Mr Scruff track on a Fila Brazillia record - but it is definitely tasty.
     
  12. sparkleytone macrumors 68020

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    three words:

    return to classicism.

    opera in particular is already seeing a boost and will continue to rise. case in point; baz luhrman's broadway production of La Boheme.
     
  13. amnesiac1984 macrumors 6502a

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    Ah mr scruff is awesome!!!!!!!!

    You jsut need ot get out and discover some of these non-mainstream artists. ANd then what oyu need ot do is go and see as much of it live as you can.

    you need to get into Sigur Rós, godspeed you black emperor, mogwai, as well as Will Oldham, Karate, Fugazi, then you got the whole funky chilled electronic scene like, filla brazilia, bonobo, lemon jelly, and what about anitcon group of Hip-Hop artists: Buck 65, Sage Francis, Sole (seen him live :D), clouddead.

    the you got lali puna, múm, cornelius, i'm gonna stop cos this is just gonna turn into a random jumble of names,

    Maybe this is a good place to plug my new website, just started, got a few reviews of new stuff I find and will be updated everytime i discover something new and good, whether its a new album from an old group or a completely new (to me) group.. I also have my own tunes and jsut random **** about me too. here is link
     
  14. lmalave thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Sweeeeeet, thanks for the list (I've only heard Sigur Ros, Mogwai, and Fugazi from your list. Yeah, I really like Sigur Ros / Mogwai type of stuff.)

    Chilled electronica - I'll check it out, it sounds like my type of thing. I like ethereal drum 'n bass so I suppose it would be a similar vibe.
     
  15. amnesiac1984 macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah, if your interested, check out Kid Loco, he's cool, chilled electronica is possibly not the best description, I'm pretty crap at putting music in boxes and I don't like doing it, ou have to jsut hear it. Check out four tet, thievery corporation, also, try to avoid the really cheesy "ultimate chillout collection" "top chillout room tunes" style crappy compilations, they have become far too commercialised, I have an early one from a few years back called "Served Chilled" not sure where it came from but its pretty darn cool.

    As for compilations, I recommend Garden Party DJ's. thats how I discovered a lot of the stuff I mentioed above.
     
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    ironically, that book i recommended you (amusing ourselves to death) is about just what you said--the television's effect on the quality of our culture, specifically on the value of public discourse. he doesn't go much into the actual quality of art, but you can infer it to a large extent.
     
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    dude, sorry for the OT, but what's that from?
     
  18. conceptdev macrumors regular

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    I must second that thievery corporation recommendation - it has a nice dub tinge to it. If you like ethereal drum&bass check out hooverphonic "blue wonder power milk" is good "magic tree" is hideous. Also i really like Thunderball they are a drum&bass act on thievery corporations label ESL.
     
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    Hooverphonic is more Trip Hop than D&B. Trip hop was a great movement (96-00 I think). Some great groups came out of Bristol England area. Try some Massive Attack (but not 100th window), Portishead, Lamb, Olive, Sneaker Pimps, Morcheba...

    Also to add on to someone saying MTV is killing music. I have to say that in the last five years I have yet to see an actual music video on MTV... SELLOUTS. The new music scene is so bad these days that I'm resorting to looking into older music like old trance, house and even oldschool hiphop and freestyle. But I'm really digging the Bourne Identity Soundtrack!
     
  20. trebblekicked macrumors 6502a

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    there are a lot of people on this board that know their music! thats f*ing sweet.

    i'll repeat what's been said because it's important to hear: forget about pop-music trends. mainstream pop music will let one Beck slip out for every one hundred avril levignes, and one radiohead for every three hundred linkin parks.

    a very smart man once said "Any mainstream band can be famous. You can suck ass and be famous. But you've gotta know your s**t to make it on your own".

    First of all, if you haven't heard these bands, try some of their stuff out imediately if not sooner:

    pavement
    belle & sebastian
    built to spill
    the sea and cake
    tortoise
    sleater-kinney
    the mountian goats
    neutral milk hotel
    olivia tremor control
    jon spencer blues explosion

    these bands should be good listening for you. Some are different, others (IMO) are just plain better.

    reindeer section
    modest mouse
    beat happening
    papa m
    the lonesome organist
    jad fair
    the borderless puzzle
    salena catalina
    the circulatory system
    stephen malkmus and the jicks
    marmoset
    all natural lemon and lime flavors
    tullycraft
    Strict F.L.O.W.
    lambchop
    smog
    scud mountain boys

    it's just my opinion, of course, but there is so much good music out there. i just want to direct those who might like it in it's general direction.:)
     
  21. dstorey macrumors 6502a

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    Re: Where is the awesome new musical movement?

    While in the uk I'd agree with you, but how can you say the same about NYC? I'd love to be there right now with the whole brooklyn (foget how to spell it) scene. Just check out http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/arts/music/features/music2002/n_7754//index2.html for example. Although a lot are sounding like the Strokes, I think they were a breath of fresh (if retro) air when they came out, but then again I loved the whole cbgb scene. Out of them bands I really like the french kicks at the moment. Theres the obvious scene in Detroit as well, and also around california again, australia, new zealand and scandinavia....dunno whats happened to the uk though :(

    some slightly underground bands i like at the moment are The Sleepy Jackson, The Jets, the thrills, Spoons, Shins, The Raveonettes, The Kills, Detroit Cobra's, The Dirtbombs, The Come Ons, The Delta 72, The Now Time Delegation, witches, electric six, the go, the sights, the paybacks, Von Bondies, vue, nebula, brian jones massacre, the warlocks, polymorphic spree (very weird), the out crowd, kings of leon, low, love life, my morning jacket, cat power, hot hot heat, moco, kenisis, buffseeds, 80's matchbox b line disaster, hogboy, 22-20's, saharah hotnights, division of laura lee, international noise conspiricy, the soundtrack of our lives etc etc (i cant be bothered to list the nyc ones as most are on that web site. Of course there are the more istablished ones too like belle and sebastian, jon spencer blues explosion (i think it was them not the strokes that started the whole nyc garage scene again), strokes, white strips, yeah yeah yeahs, vines, d4 and the datsuns.... well theres enough bands anyway....dam I'm a guitar band nerd....
     
  22. amnesiac1984 macrumors 6502a

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    come on shadowfax, you know it. Think of your signature, then think of the song before the song before that and then think of the last line. :D

    NavyIntel, whats wrong with 100th window? I've not heard it that much but what I have heard is pretty cool, quite a direction change for massive attack i feel.

    edit: Yeah, Bristol is a good scene to be part of :), My other scene, the isle of wight, has recently bore fruit, anyone heard The Bees? runenrs up for mercury music award last year, their album is really good, and very different, its the perfect feel good summer album without being cheesy and poppy. Albums called "Sunshine Hit Me" highly recommended for anyone.
     
  23. boskie macrumors regular

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    For Electronica/Trip Hop/Breakbeat/Future Funk, i dabble in a bit of:
    • Boards Of Canada
    • Two Lone Swordsman/Radioactive Man/The Sabres of Paradise/Rotters Golf Club
    • Autechre
    • Luke Vibert/Wagon Christ/Plug One
    • Aphex Twin aka :eek:
    • Amon Tobin
    • Mr Scruff
    • The Cinematic Orchestra
    • This is bloody endless...


    Warp Records
    Ninja Tunes

    I Agree. I just went to see them at Brixton Academy Saturday just gone and it was a really great show - they had a massive screen show "Real Time" World Statistics scrolling in every which direction and wot-not. It made me quite dizzy frankly:confused::D .

    It was the first time i've seen them live and i was impressed, with both the music which accompanied this 100th Window tour and also a good few cherished older songs.
     
  24. shadowfax macrumors 603

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    ahhhhh yes. i thought it was radiohead, but i couldn't peg it.
     
  25. amnesiac1984 macrumors 6502a

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    you got it,

    you sig is from my favourite song of the album, his vocals at the chorus a couple of lines after that quote is amazing. sort of shouting and really angry,b ut still singing really high in falsetto, i don't get how he does it.
     

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