where is the isight computer controller ?

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  1. trip macrumors newbie

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    I want isight to be able to control the computer. Is anyone working at that yet ? All I want to do is use the mouse with my hand waveing around in the air, is that to much to ask ? There is a game that does it but why not the entire computer ?
     
  2. seamuskrat macrumors 6502a

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    Probably because of the complexity of such an undertaking. The games use relative positioning for a game, which has finite parameters. Using an iSight for fine cursor control, or even menu operation is probably very CPU intensive. NOt to mention creating a system that allowed the individual tastes each of us demand from OS X would be nearly impossible. A gesture I made to open a folder might mean something different to you. A game is different as it imposes a series of rules and expected behaviors. I know the ToySight (same developer as OS X version) with PS2 is still kinda flaky in games anyway.

    Plus, Why? Unless it helps those with physical impairments, and I cannot see how it would, why? Unless you mean something like in Minority Report.
     
  3. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    Would make viewing porn a rather interesting experience in lack of control (mouse control)
     
  4. trip thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I keep hearing people bring up Minority Report, I should see that movie sometime. But I have wanted this even before Min.. It is just moveing your fingers and hands in an x, y, grid, it can't be that hard to make. To double click you could either wave a finger over a file or pinch two fingers together.
    It is not like it would take that much innovation to use on a day to day surface. It some products for the pc they use little colored squares or there fingers.
     
  5. seamuskrat macrumors 6502a

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    Well, all I can add is that voice recognition has been around since the Mac 6100 but it has already been awful. Its only now coming into its own as a useful tool.

    Finite control via video in real time to control an OS in an X-Y grid is beyond current consumer technology. I know the MIT advance media lab does this and they use 4 cameras with many computers processing the input.

    Give it 10 years. Or, you can pursue degrees in Computer Science and Engineering and help contribute to the cause. Unless someone out there has some secret new developments, its just not ready for primetime.
     
  6. trip thread starter macrumors newbie

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    BA! What about the games, they have it working why not the gui. I would asume MIT is using it for X-Y-Z or 4d placement. XY is just a grid. The computer sees a dot on the screen and inputs xy cords for it, then a simple gesture motion double clicks the file. Same as the eyetoy games.

    Whatever I just think no one is trying it that is all. There are a lot of programs OSX developers are not working on. Oh well maybe when someone has the same idea I would just guess
     
  7. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    Ah trip.. I bet you want to use 2 mice with 2 cursors too..
     
  8. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    I, for one, would get tired of holding my stupid arms up all the time. It'd be like exercise or something! :eek:
     
  9. trip thread starter macrumors newbie

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    How did you know ! Why yes I would love that I posted that somewhere else before. I just see moving your hands around or haveing two mice so much faster than shoveing one single mouse on the ground. Moving your hands free form is much swifter and yes it does give a nice bit of exercise. And photoshop would be so sw33t: one hand could tweak while the other could change tools or press the zoom in and out.
     
  10. SilentPanda Moderator emeritus

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    Utilizing a "hand" as a mouse replacement is not a good thing currently. Here is the difference between the games that you've seen and using it to control the OS.

    The games that you've seen (in brief) take the previous frame of video and compare it to the current frame of video. It assumes that your couch isn't going to move and you are the only one in frame. If the pixels change enough the game triggers the appropriate reaction. It works good enough for games that people buy into it. If you get two people into the frame it makes it harder to do. You can trigger things with your head, your arms, your legs, or a broom stick.

    The only effective way to do cursor control on an OS would be (currently) to put a disc of some sort on your finger. Let's make it a silver disc. The program can look for the position of the silver disc in it's field of view. It can react to the presence of the silver disc accordingly. However you cannot use the same technology that is created for games (i.e. without the disc) because that it would be any change in your own position would change the location of the cursor. I don't know about you but I tend to move around when on the computer. That and I don't particularly think that holding my hand up in the air for prolonged periods of time would work well for me (and most people).

    Soooo... a program to move the cursor around using the iSight (providing you used some color of disc or such) wouldn't be incredibly hard to write... however it's merely gimmicky. It serves no long term purpose.
     
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  12. DarkNovaMatter macrumors member

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    FEW! was looking at this article and remembered a story on slashdot about it. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/11/212212&tid=189&tid=107 The thing is that (if I remember right) that the picture from the iSight is a 2D layout on the desktop which then offers a way to interact. The thing why so many things like this use a touchscreen or some other device (that is not only 2D but purportionate to the screen) is so that it is easily translated. Even most sci-fi devices require a interaction with some sort of surface. Like your hand touching a hologram that thus takes some charge off at where you are touching, or having to wear some sort of glove that does the same thing (like minority report). Doing a completely hands free device would require a room with cameras or some sort of sensing tech that then can accuratly know where your hand is to replicate a motion on screen, right now since screens are only 2D (or 3D in a 2D pane), no one would really need more then maybe a touchscreen device. Oh and there is a mouse out know that can do something like this, but is still in 2 planes.
     
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