Where, oh where has our religious freedoms gone?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by tshrimp, Jun 13, 2013.

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    Do you have anything from a real news source?
     
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    You can practice whatever religion you want, but if you bring it into my government, my courthouse, or my laws, then you and I will have a problem. You have NO right to teach my kid some prayer or lead a prayer in front of a classroom. You have NO right to put the ten commandments up in a courthouse that has to hear cases involving people of all religions. You have NO right to pass laws based on your book of religious texts. NONE.

    You have the freedom to practice your religion. They have the freedom to practice their religion. Others have the freedom from all religion. That's freedom.

    The right-wing Christian fundamentalists who insist on sticking their religion into everything are trying to take freedom away from everyone else, and damnit, I for one won't tolerate it.
     
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    Oh no, Christians aren't being pandered to quite as much as usual. THE HORROR.
     
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    You should not have the ability to wear you religion as a badge, in a position of authority over others. As others have said, this does nothing to limit your religious freedom to worship as you see fit. Funny that you would cite Faux News.

    By the way, would it bother you if your Commanding Officer kept a Qur'an on his desk?

    Being oppressed to the predominant religion apparently means not being able to have your proselytizing ways with other-believers. ;)
     
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    To answer the OP's question...

    I'm a Christian and I have complete religious freedom, however I DO have a problem with people who use religion to oppress the rights of others (which is what a majority of Christians seem to do).

    Religion should NEVER be able to dictate another individuals rights. I also don't agree with religion being in schools.

    I have quite a different interpretation of the Bible than other Christians and I don't want right-wing nuts who can only quote the mistranslated English versions of the Bible influencing my children in the classroom and telling them things like "gays are bad and going to hell" or "if you have sex before marriage your future husband will be satan" and other untrue things.

    Also Christians in the U.S. are in no way shape or form being oppressed. Instead they are the ones doing the oppressing and trying to use the excuse of "its their beliefs" to justify their oppression of others.

    The way I see it, someones personal beliefs become irrelevant as soon as it affects others. We all only get one life to live and not a single person has the right to try and oppress someone else.

    The only example I can see of Christians being oppressed is in the Middle East where they are being targeted and attacked.
     
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    Yes...See my link. Any link I use will be met with "from a real news source" unless I select a liberal one. But it was just a general question and didn't even require a link.

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    I would not have an issue with a Commanding Officer keeping a Qur'an on his/her desk at all. I would hope they would if that was the persons faith.

    On your second point. I work in a place that will not allow christian displays on your desk, but others are okay, and I came from another company where it was okay to display anything at Christmas time from any other religion but we could not post or say "Merry Christmas".
     
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    I do not think this is quite correct. The majority of Christians, everywhere, are get-along people who consider their own personal salvation, when they think about it, and live and let live. The great howling excretory orifices who make noise and trouble about America being Sodom and their religious rights being trampled are a small minority. Atheism and agnosticism are growing rather rapidly, it seems likely that soon the screaming believers will be outnumbered even by unbelievers, if they are not already.
     
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    I'm at work and don't have time to listen to the radio program.

    But from first glance it looks like personal commentary and not an actual news source.

    It has nothing to do with liberal v. conservative.
     
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    You stay classy Fox News commenters:

    I bet this guy did plenty of bitching about Reverend Wright. So who is Obama? A Muslim, or a Christian with a preacher who hates Obama? Make up your god damn mind.

    Atheists! Gays! Ermahgerd!

    If Satan was trying to marginalize Christianity, I'd like to think he'd do something more effective than give us gay people, like wipe out parts of the bible belt with tornados. Oh, wait....

    Hawaii's a foreign country?

    I am indeed laughing behind my facepalm.

    Here's my prediction for the score: US Military: 1. Christians: 0

    Paging Mr. Godwin

    Pure class right there

    Jump

    Pat Tillman said to go **** yourself

    Took about 10 pages of comments but we finally have someone blaming this on the Jews.
     
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    So as a Christian, it would not bother you if they had the Qur'an equivalent of the 10 Commandments posted on the Court House door? You know something like "Death to Infidels!!" ;)

    When you say no Christian displays allowed, but others are, can you give an example? I stress that the standard must be evenly applied. If a town council decides no Christmas displays in town, there better not be any religious displays allowed. Personally I have no issue with saying Merry Christmas.
     
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    Christmas isn't just a christian thing. It started as a pagan holiday until the christians hijacked it, but there are many non-religious people who still celebrate it.



    Also, those comments from the Fox noise site are a pretty sad commentary on the failure of the American education system and the ridiculous ignorance that is prevalent in many parts of this country. It's sad, really.
     
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    What's wring with someone who wants to keep a bible on their desk?

    Why are they not allowed to show their faith outwardly? If that is not restriction of freedom then I don't know what is!
     
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    I'm not religious. I don't like people pushing their religion on others or using their religion as the basis for law.

    That being said, I say Merry Christmas, Happy Easter, and I think it's freaking stupid to restrict such a thing. If someone wants to walk up to me and say Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, Merry Chrismahanukwanzakah, Happy Flying Spaghetti Monster Day...it doesn't bother me, and it shouldn't bother anyone else. If it's not your thing, fine, but why get panties in a wad about it?

    And that being said, I do think that Christianity is trying to push too much onto others by pushing for laws that restrict others.
     
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    Just like sex it's OK in your own home, but it is intimidating if you do it publicly.
     
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    First off, that's a poor comparison.

    Second off, why would you be intimidated by the mere sight of a bible?
     
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    Well if you want to read some bible verses at lunchtime then that shouldn't be any more of a problem than someone reading fifty shades of grey at lunchtime (though I suspect if you're a schoolteacher that'd be a problem). However I get the impression that the person in this instance was pushing their personal religious beliefs a little bit more than that.

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    That is ridiculous.
     
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    Really? I'm sorry but you know exactly why. I'm not going to go down that path with you as it will only derail the thread; and any sane person doesn't require an explanation.

    I don't care of a teacher wants to read "50 shades of grey" at lunch time. That's the fantastic thing about books, one has to read them aloud for anyone else to know the content. If a teacher wants to sit and read silently, and not to his/her students, he/she can read anything they want as far as I'm concerned.

    The mere presence of a bible (which the link mentioned is potentially being outlawed) is not enough to cause offense to anyone. At least not anyone who isn't looking for an opportunity to be offended.
     
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    I hope you're correct here. Where I live sadly its pretty much all Fox News watchers who think their rights are being trampled. I'd like to think the rest of the world is not like this but living in PA it sure seems like everyone thinks that way.
     
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    I'm a hard core atheist. I want religion out of my government, schools, etc. But I can't imagine why keeping a personal bible (or any religious book) on your personal desk at work (being in the Army is a job, after all) is against the rules. Hope we're missing some information here; if not, this is going to far....(IMHO)
     
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    As with all screaming crowds, the loudest of them all is usually the vast minority.

    I know enough of the tin foil hat types that think the government is out to take all of their money and all of their guns and teach Islam in the schools. Some of them even happen to be religious to varying degrees.

    But I know plenty more (in other words, almost all) true Christ followers who have opinions on taxes, a guns and all sorts of other things that aren't anywhere near hair-on-fire activist as the folks in the first group are.

    The world tends to see the caricatures on all issues and assume that is the face of that particular group. A lot of groups raise a lot of money perpetuating those stereotypes.
     
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    Yeah, but the Pagans did not call it Christmas nor did they celebrate the same thing so this is kind of beside the point I was making. Most of the non-religious people I know who celebrate Christmas use it as an opportunity to socialize, commercialize, and give and receive goodies. :D
     
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    Because it's annoying to have people spouting off about their religion all the time. I don't have a problem if you keep it to yourself, but unfortunately many religious people lack that capability.

    I wonder how the religious folks would feel if every time they mentioned religion, god, or whatever, the people who don't believe in fairy tales said stuff to the effect of "god doesn't exist", etc. How long would it take before they got annoyed?

    That's what it's like for people who aren't religious when we hear people saying "thank god" or "praise god" or whatever for every single little thing in their lives.

    And on top of that, the radical religious freaks have been trying to restrict other's rights based off of fairy tales for too long... it's about time people stood up and said enough of this ********. It's 2013.. pick up a science textbook and put down the fairy tales.
     
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    I would agree with you, except, an entire political party in this country has been hijacked by the hair-on-fire crazy loony-toons whack-a-doodles. Until the true-Christ followers decide to kick those fools out and say we won't be ruled by your brand of bigotry, hatred, and evil, then the caricature isn't just a caricature, but the actual face of that group of people.

    The easy choice is to switch parties and join the reasonable majority.
     

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