White supremacists use deception to run ad in a student newspaper

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    Gelfin

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    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/13/BABH1AK7O4.DTL&tsp=1

    A white supremacist group built a phony innocuous web site and submitted an ad for it to the student newspaper at San Francisco's Lowell High School. Then when the ad was accepted, they replaced the contents of the site with a racist website offering white nationalist music downloads, t-shirts and for a "campaign to inform, awaken and radicalize our White American youth." The email bombastically claiming responsibility, sent to newspapers, is eerily reminiscent of similar statements made by terrorist organizations following bombings.

    I keep hoping we've reached the peak of the recent uptick in ultra-right-wing nastiness, and I keep being disappointed. I suspect this is going to get a lot worse.
     
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    Shows the weakness of printed media. A website could quickly get rid of the ad before much damage was done. I haven't personally seen an up rise in white supremacy, more anti-government than anything else.
     
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    Gelfin

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    You haven't? They've been showing up at all the same parties.
     
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    Zombie Acorn

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    Ive seen a few signs that were in bad taste from media reports, its not like the first time this type of thing has happened though.

    Then again I haven't been close enough to one of these parties to fairly judge them. If there was a racist sentiment I surely wouldn't be staying for long.
     
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    The supposed master race doesn't have time to spell-check.
     
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    Full of Win

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    The people that run the site are likely very happy, as they have just got a tub full of free advertising.
     
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    Oh snap. You sure showed us. How about commenting if their views are wrong or not?
     
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    Those are the pure, White, Christian, Aryan spellings of the words. ;)
     
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    Which basically points to an increasing need for due diligence in cases of ads referring websites -- which is true really for everyone who deals with advertising (and accepts private requests) in the internet age....
     
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    Dictionary.app has some 'xplaining to do, then.

    Meanwhile, the tea-partiers are also attracting the dregs:

     
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    gilkisson

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    Used the web, did they? I'm surprised. Most of those of that ilk still regard fire as a dangerous innovation, and reading as a tool of "da debbil".

    Talking to a Klukker is rather like talking to a steaming #2 loaf, you're not surprised when the turdbiscuit doesn't say anything intelligent. The #2 loaf just sits there as well.
     
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    their cause sure hasn't been that attractive to the brightest lot since quite a few years ... which we can grateful for
     
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    Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post...
     
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    gilkisson

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    Perhaps because it is how they self-identify?

    From the article, an email sent to the editor from the perpetrators of this scam:

    Who else uses the term "liberal" as an epithet?
     
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    I've been a Republican all my life. I have been also been a state Republican delegate. I have been to conservative meetings and conferences and a campaign volunteer. Have also been to conservative and "right-wing" community action meetings. Never once have I ever heard anyone within my party say they "self-identify" with anyone in the "white supremacist" movement. Not once.

    Still open question for Gelfin:
    Let us know how you equate "white supremacy" with "right wing" in your post?
     
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    If you think white supremacists using the internet to communicate, broadcast their message, and recruit new members is new you haven't been paying attention. They've been on the net since the mid-90's.


    Lethal
     
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    gilkisson

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    You are being disingenuous. The topic was "ultra-right-wing", not "Republican". Not all right-wingers are Nazis, just as not all on the left are Communists. Right?

    But I too really look forward to Gelfin's response.
     
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    gilkisson

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    You are correct. I have not been paying them much attention at all. Although I do recall that David Duke could tie his shoes unassisted, and work a light switch two out of three times.

    For the most part, racism and general ignorance march in lockstep. It does not take a vast savvy mind to create a web site, and even less to read the tripe posited there.
     
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    just because you are reversing the roles doesn't make it right... it's not the "right wing considering themselves members of the white supremacist" it's the "white supremacists considering themselves right wing" direction

    you are, as we call it in german "making the horse the coachman"

    also the fact that Solidarity, one of the core principles of the left wing, on principle opposes "supremacy" thoughts should give you the direction in which the scale tips
     
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    gilkisson

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    Corresponding English phrase would be, "putting the cart before the horse".

    And you are correct. Das ist richtig.
     
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    Here in this thread (within this forum), in posts #2 and #7, a real "racist" group is cited, not typically associated with what is alleged the "right wing" yet racist just the same.

    I take exception to linking up "white supremacist" groups with "right wing" groups, being done, presumably, to tar the conservatives or republicans within right wing politics. You are aware, I assume, that the Senior Democrat from West Virginia is hardly associated with right wing groups but was in fact a former supremacist?

    Oh? Where were your "Solidarity" principles voiced from the Democrats after pro-Democrat "supremacy" groups showed up with billy clubs in Philadelphia last year to deny undesirable Republican voter access to polls?
     
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    hmmm I'm guessing he's ok with this since he hasn't come back to reply yet

    Full of Faill i sence.
     
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    First, I don't think you understand what it means to self identify. You don't self identify with someone, as you put it. The phrase "self identify" means to identify ones self as something. For example, I self-identify as a liberal. Another way of saying this would be to say that I am a liberal.

    Second, as others have pointed out, Gelfin didn't say the "right wing" self-identifies as "white supremacists," he said exactly the opposite. White supremacists do, and always have, held conservative views and therefore are right wing. Gelfin used the phrase "ultra-right wing" to point out the fact the not all of those on the right are white supremacists, but that there are a lot of crazies over there on the fringe.
     
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    "racist" ... perhaps
    "black supremacy" ... up for debate .. especially with them getting enough criticism from other left black organisations because of their ideas


    groups ? clubs ? there was 1 incident with 3 guys of which _1_ had a stick which according to the internet were escorted/sent away by the police

    compared to what happend 70-80 years ago around here that's not really worth mentioning nor does it in any way make it even with the amount of far right wing racism and white supremacy blurps .... just look at the list of parties considered "Far right" right today in europe
     

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