Who are the takers? Who wants stuff?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by rdowns, Nov 14, 2012.

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    rdowns

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    Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth


    Obama Supporters Subsidize Romney Supporters With Their Taxes

     
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    In light of this I find it pretty hilarious that he received 47% of the popular vote.
     
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    Me too.

    A fairer tax code, equal rights for all, immigration reform, spending cuts, reduction in our insane miliatry spending to name a few.
     
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    I want stuff too.

    And just over 10% of the 47% are retirees who no longer work. I'd also expect them to be more for a Republican than a Democrat but what do I know?
     
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    I want stuff. I have a 100% disability with the VA. I want better healthcare. VA hospitals suck. Not because of the doctors that work there but because the VA hospital system is under-funded.

    I could get Medicare Part B but since I didn't apply for it when I started receiving my Social Security benefits it would cost me around $600 a month for it now.

    For some of you $600 a month is normal but for a person on a fixed income it is a lot.


    Oh and. That Fiscal Cliff ? To get a temporary deal done the Democrats threw Veterans under the bus by lopping the VA in with Defense Spending. So when the Defense budget gets cut by X% my disability benefits get cut by the same amount.
     
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    I read that are areas of the Defense budget that are exempt and Veterans benefits were one of them.

    ArmyTimes.com
     
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    I'll believe that when I see it. There was a reason they put the VA in with defense spending.
     
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    There is also a reason certain parts of defense spending have been given exemptions (to the best of my knowledge there are no such exemptions allowed on the 'blue' side of the cuts). Of course at the time everyone was saying the penalties were so severe that of course both sides of the isle would come together and of course these across the board budget cuts would never happen... yet here we are.
     
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    Bleh that's one of the few things I hope they don't cut with defense spending. The defense budget is enormous, but I'd hate to see things related protecting to protecting deployed troops. The body armor shortage during the Iraq War comes to mind. The other major thing being veteran's benefits. We do in fact owe them that much.
     
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    Be careful about reading too much into that example.

    Washington state has no personal income tax. Tax revenues come from other sources: B&O taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, etc.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_(state)#Taxes

    So just considering the population density of King County, the number of businesses located there, and the assessed value of property therein, it shouldn't be surprising it contributes such a large percentage of the state's revenue. Because of the tax base, and the absence of state income tax, this would be true regardless of whether it's a Blue or Red county.

    The Blueness or Redness may have more to do with urban density, universities, or other reasons having nothing to do with the tax base. In general, reasons other than sheer population density.

    If there are more taxpayers in a certain county, and supposing the same tax amount is paid per capita (which it surely isn't), then one would expect that a county with the larger percentage of taxpayers in it would pay a larger percentage of the state's overall taxes. That's just simple math.

    Then if those paying more taxes (because they own more taxable assets) tend to occupy urban centers (as opposed to rural areas), that would skew the "payers" vs. "takers" ratio even more.
     
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    I think rdowns was just trying to illustrate the larger point that it seems quite common for republicans to simultaneous complain about welfare while gladly accepting the welfare they receive.
     
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    I disagree, it is right there. The state, counties and cities get their revenue howsoever they get it, the mechanisms are not really relevant. The underlying reality becomes evident when you just look at it. Consider King county compared to Okanogan. One has an average population density of 908 people per square mile in a little over 2100 square miles (dry), the other eight in more than twice the area. You can imagine, if you lived in King county, services would generally be better because it is easier to provide them to more people in less space. If you lived in Okanogan county, the government is that remote thing way over there struggling to serve a few people in a large area (plus, it snows a lot more in winter).

    Hence, the more rural person will see the government as something that has little to offer, while the more urban person will see public services as helpful and convenient. The red/blue divide across the urban/rural boundary is obvious, and the blue is going to tend to prevail because, after all, they have more people.
     
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    I think Jon Stewart had made a good point in his debate with 0'Reilly. When O'Reilly claimed we are an entitlement society Jon shot back that we are an "entitlement species." Sad but true. We all want stuff.
     
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    Bingo!
     

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