Who thinks Linux sucks??

Discussion in 'Community' started by sparkleytone, Jul 7, 2002.

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Indeed, does the penguin blow chunks?

Poll closed Jul 14, 2002.
  1. What!? Linux r0x0r j00 b0x0r!

    4 vote(s)
    16.0%
  2. OMFG Linux is a PO$

    7 vote(s)
    28.0%
  3. Eh.

    6 vote(s)
    24.0%
  4. I have absolutely no frickin' clue.

    8 vote(s)
    32.0%
  1. sparkleytone macrumors 68020

    sparkleytone

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    #1
    yet another poll. im finding out more and more that linux is a big piece of garbage. sure its stable, but nothing works. desktop OS my ass, itll never get there.
     
  2. SilvorX macrumors 68000

    SilvorX

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    #2
    i have mandrake 7.1 on like 3 cds, i never use them anymore cuz i dont like mandrake, i dont understand it at all, and after a few times of using, it already needed to be reinstalled...
     
  3. Backtothemac macrumors 601

    Backtothemac

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    #3
    I have used Mandrake 8.0 on an AMD machine before. It was really fast, but it was just too much new to absorb. I much prefer the the beauty of Aqua, than the KDE, or Knome desktops. I do wish that X had virtual desktops in the dock though. That would be very cool.
     
  4. Catfish_Man macrumors 68030

    Catfish_Man

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    #4
    Linux...

    ...is a fantastic OS, a fantastic project, and a really crappy desktop system. It has a few features I want (virtual desktops), but overall just isn't refined enough for desktop use. For many other things it's great.
     
  5. Taft macrumors 65816

    Taft

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    #5
    Blah!!!

    It really is a great OS. Why????

    1. Its stable. Really stable.
    2. Its fast. Very fast.
    3. Its free.
    4. It runs on nearly every piece of hardware out there. Even computers that aren't "desktop PCs".
    5. Security is very high on Linux.
    6. Security holes and bug fixes happen very, very quickly. Very quick turn around.
    7. You get the source code.
    8. Its customiable from the source code up.
    9. Free development tools/compilers.

    Now before you Mac nuts out there get on my case, I'll say this: OS rocks. Its interface is great--way better that linux's solutions. Its very stable. Its very user friendly. You get the sourcecode for the Darwin core. Free developer tools. Its very Mac-like.

    But we must admit there are problems.

    1. Its not as fast as Linux. Not just the interface, but the kernel itself. Multitasking and swapping between processes doesn't happen as well as in Linux. I've done and seen some test that show this.
    2. Its new and untested int certain tasks. Especially in a server environment. Stability hasn't yet been proven.
    3. Bugs and security holes don't get fixed as fast as Linux. Some would consider this minor.
    4. While access to the core system's source code is nice, much of OS X is proprietary. This isn't all bad, but it means less customization capabilities.

    This is just a short list of things that came into my head. The bottom line is that they both serve a purpose. I've got linux running my web/fileserver (on ppc hardware, I might add) and OS X on all of my machines that I use directly. Linux on the desktop is alright, but its not up to the standard of OS X (or even windows *gasp*). I think it will continue to get better though.

    I don't think we should see this as a rivalry. At this point, we are really looking at a battle between *nix systems and MS. I'm rooting for *nix.

    Taft
     
  6. jefhatfield Retired

    jefhatfield

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    #6
    lunux should grow easier to use and being free, nothing can stop its growth

    many say that the standard bearer of linux, red hat, is not the best example out there...oh well

    as for the server environment, it has gained some real applause since the microsoft server solution is big bucks on some people's pocketbooks

    overall, even microsoft is affordable, but what is more affordable than "free"?

    now as for xbox, the unit is cheap but the games are too expensive so that is my gripe with microsoft and being expensive
     
  7. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

    edesignuk

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    #7
    I've tried Mandrake on a Dual 700Mhz PIII and wasn't that impressed with it's speed, neither did I get along with the whole thing in general...I think I'll be sticking with OS X! Bring on Jaguar! Then we can really kick some a$$!
     
  8. balliet macrumors member

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    #8
    Space.app - http://space.sourceforge.net/
     
  9. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

    edesignuk

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    #9
    Cool! :cool: Thanks for the link, I'll also have to give that ago when I get home. :D
     
  10. job macrumors 68040

    job

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    How about some good ole' fashioned UNIX. :D

    After all, Mac OS X is an advanced UNIX OS with a very good facelift. :D
     
  11. krossfyter macrumors 601

    krossfyter

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    #11
    whats virtual space for? whats the deal with that? thats the first ive heard of it? whats its use etc. etc.?
     
  12. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

    edesignuk

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    #12
    It's like having multipul machines/monitors, you could have one virtual desktop for e-mail and web, another for photoshop, and another for dreamweaver etc. instead of having to be switching between appz (minimizing to dock) you just have a seperate desktop.
     
  13. Solipsys macrumors member

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    #13
    You can't complain about Open Source :)

    I installed Linux PPC on one of my G3s a couple years ago. I thought it was amazing (partially for the novelty of running a completely different operating system on my trusty mac). It was stable, clean, snappy, and all those other superlatives. But the greatest thing about it is the community of users and programmers. Almost everything is free and open source! That model of computing society is what's so great about Linux. The people developing for it are "Fighting The Good Fight". Movements like Linux and peer-to-peer file sharing are breaking down coorporate structures and making them face the fact that their current ways of doing business are numbered. When ideas can no longer be commodified into the lowest common denominator in order to sell it to the highest demographic then those ideas will be able to evolve freely with their integrity intact....I'll stop now before I start spouting more socialist sounding hyperbole :)
     
  14. eyelikeart Moderator emeritus

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    #14
    I can honestly say that I haven't the slightest clue what Linux can do...

    I don't know if it sucks or not! ;)
     
  15. alex_ant macrumors 68020

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    #15
    I agree with virtually everything everyone has said in this thread... I "converted" (partially) to OS X last Christmas after nearly five years of using Linux as my desktop OS.

    Linux is a great OS, but not a great desktop OS. It's actually quite a poor desktop OS. It is incredibly fragmented on every level - similar but not identical distributions running similar but not always compatible binaries with a plethora of obscure libraries, the various versions of which frequently break forwards- and/or backwards-compatibility with each other. The driving motivation of the open-source software developer seems to me to be choice: Facilitating everyone's preferences and providing maximum customization abilities. This makes sense because Linux on the desktop, to me, seems like it's the OS where you go if you don't want to use Windows anymore and the Mac isn't an option. It's a refugee OS that attracts all kinds, from the smelly and bearded Stallmanesque hard-liner to the neighbor who found a box of "Red Hat Linix" for cheap in the clearance bin to the computer nerd yuppie who wants to be elite. These vast divisions in the desktop user base make cripple Linux's ease of use, simplicity, and direction on the desktop.

    Other observations:

    - Hundreds of alpha-quality apps with <0.5 version numbers and big aspirations to take on the pro packages but no signs of actually ever being able to do so. If this isn't bad enough, the apps mostly seem to be clones of Windows apps. It seems like there is no motivation to break new ground; "Windows is the only other OS I've used, and it's the OS most other people use, so in order to attract more people to Linux, I need to make my app look and behave like a Windows app." Half-rate ripoffs of software that's half-rate to begin with pretty much sums it up.

    - A dinosaur of a display layer (X11) that would be horrible if not for its network transparency (one of its only redeeming qualities). At least it was arguably the second-best display system of the 1980s...

    - Incredibly annoying, fanatical users. Not all of them, but the hardcore GPL nuts rank right up there with the worst Mac snobs. Visit a site like Newsforge for example. "M$" (the dollar sign is important here) "will fall any day now, and the rise of OSS will commence! It is inevitable! Emperor Darth Gates will succumb to the penguin! Ahaha*snort*hahahah*snort*hahaha!" Etc. The geekery is overpowering, as their body stench would also be if they ever left their parents' basements.

    That said, if I needed a reliable and fast server and didn't care about ease of setup/administration, Linux, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD would be on my short list. I would not consider Mac OS X - it is too young, too slow, way too expensive, its filesystem is crap, and it runs on slow and expensive hardware. Linux is very mature on the server, with some excellent filesystem options, great performance & stability, and of course, it is (or can be) free.

    Alex
     
  16. sparkleytone thread starter macrumors 68020

    sparkleytone

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    #16
    alex_ant's views coincide with mine more than anyone so far. its really really stable, so is BSD. its full of open source...so is BSD. its really really fast, so is BSD. it runs on most hardware...so does BSD. its a good network kernel...it doesnt COMPARE to BSD. It SUCKS as a desktop OS...so does BSD. OS X is the only viable desktop UNIX, by leaps and bounds. These *NIX's have been around for years, yet Apple does what no one else couldnt in less than 2?? That's frickin' sad. There are good results with open source, but usability isnt one of them.

    I am running slackware on my x86 box. I wish i had put BSD on when i had the time to put linux on. Don't get me wrong. If all you want is a command line OS, its great. My classic pentium133 runs a webserver and router great. It also doesnt have a GUI. My p3 box is another story. the only semi-usable interface seems to be Blackbox/Windowmaker/etc. You have to do too much text editing to get that stuff to work for you.

    I'll stick to OS X for my everyday work, which is why i checked out linux again anyways. It's amazing what I've learned from OS X. i took that to linux and it seemed so much easier than before. The whole principle of file system layout is something i never grasped before. It was great. Until i ran into driver problems in X. That's where it still begs for mercy at the feet of OS X, drivers. My printer semiworks. My video card finally works. X takes over my tty's (seriously). Programs have a tendency to just stop running without telling anything. Basically i have two seti@home boxes up. Linux just isnt gonna make it outside the server world. That's why OS X even exists I think.
     
  17. cb911 macrumors 601

    cb911

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    #17
    i don't have a clue.

    i know nothing about linux. simple as that.

    and what is 'virtual desktop'? how will it help mangae my desktop? anyway, i'll get it and have a play...:p
     

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