Why all this HD craze?

Discussion in 'Games' started by Chone, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Chone macrumors 65816

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    Why is everyone getting so upbeat about this "high definition" deal, I mean names like 720p are very stupid (why can't they say 1280x720?) and the end customer usually ends up being very uninformed on the fact that they are just resolutions.

    I mean everyone goes crazy about MS being able to implement 1080p in X360? Hmm... what is so special about it? You'd think a GPU that advanced could display 1920x1080... hell the PS2 could display at 1920x1080, now if it had to run SNES games to run smoothly at that res is entirely another matter.

    Which is why I tell you, the Wii IS capable of high definition, in fact, if the developers wanted they could have N64 games display in all 1080p glory and many Wii games in 720p and 1080i, its just that this HD has become an industry fad and everyone is uninformed about it and just how simple a concept it really is.

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  2. joshysquashy macrumors 6502a

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    i think names like 720p refer not to an exact pixel size, as they can be various different ratios (16:9, 4:3 etc) so perhaps thats why they create these (rather random) names for them.

    as for HD, the Wii is not HD because it does not have the correct output physicaly for HD TV's this is where people are ill informed about HDMI as opposed to scart or composite. HDMI is the only one capable of true HD as far as I know.

    the only benefit is that if you have a HD capable TV, you can benefit from the 360 as it will display at full quality, as opposed to the Wii which will be less crisp.

    does this make sense, correct me if im wrong.
     
  3. zap2 macrumors 604

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    I agree an HD Resolution can be nice, but most people don't have any idea what it means. There was an ad with Jessica Simpons for DirectTV which was about how the send out HD shows, she say "I don't what that means, but I sure want it" They make a point on how almost NO one knows what 1080p or 1080i like its a good thing that few understand what it is!


    Not to say it can't be a good thing but few people know about what it really is
     
  4. greatdevourer macrumors 68000

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    It's called 720p because it's easier than saying "twelve eighty by seven twenty progressive scan" :p

    Joshysquashy - "True HD" (a marketing term created by Sony that they then failed to live up to... :rolleyes:) can be taken over Component as well

    The reason is because it's finally a time when consoles look as good as desktop PCs
     
  5. WillMak macrumors 6502a

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    Cause everything is going towards HD and video games have to ride the wave as well. There was HD porn before HD consoles.
     
  6. wako macrumors 65816

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    Umm.......



    Have you seen the differences between games that are played in HD and then played on a normal TV screen?!



    Only reason why I recently started playing console games because they FINALLY have begun raising the resolution. Before I couldnt even stand playing PC games on 800x600.
     
  7. Chone thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Exactly.

    720p refers to the vertical height, that is one each row has 720 pixels and the aspect ratio determines how many rows there are (horizontal width), in 16:9 case that number would be 1280 which is a lot more complicated than just saying, see this TV has a resolution of 1280x720.

    Where exactly do you draw the HD line? I mean, thats the problem with it, thats why we've called them resolutions until some jerk decided to start this HD craze, there are higher resolutions on PCs (2560x1600) so is 1080p "true HD", is 2560x1600 "true hd"?, nah, they are just resolutions, one is bigger than the other and there will come another bigger than that and so on and so forth and the stupid industry hype-makers will start calling them "Xtreme High Definition" "Ultra Super Giga Leet Definition, its like a whole new thing", educate the consumer on the concept of resolutions and you might have a winner right there.

    As for the Wii... there is another trap of HD marketing right there, component can carry 1920x1080 and I think it still has more bandwidth left (I'm not familiar with component but I think it has the same bandwidth as VGA) for even higher resolutions. People are led to believe they need the latest hardware, the latest TVs (well this is true to an extent) and the friggin later quirky innovation the market puts out there.

    I'm just bothered by it, 1080p and HD are marketed as the best thing ever ultra cutting edge technology when computers have had 2560x1600 (which gives you almost double the pixels 1920x1080 does) for at least 3 years in the consumer market and even more so in the professional monitor level, progressive scan has been around since the very early days of personal computing and "high definition" (which I don't even know how to define it as) has been around for a long time (depends on what limits you put on "high definition".

    What a joke.
    Yeah the difference is quite appreciable, I'm no saying "HD" is not noticeable, I mean, it is, its just that I'm upset at how the industry has turned it into a fad and customers are falling right into it, not knowing what it is and letting the companies play their game (Sony with True HD, HDMI, no HD on Wii, no 1080p on X360, etc, etc, etc)

    Well not even that, sure the resolutions might be "similar" (top notch is 1920x1080, PCs still have higher resolutions) but even if they were the same I'm sure you know resolutions do not make graphics (though I bet Sony and MS wanted you to believe otherwise) and the truth is, desktop PCs are already faster and games look better than on consoles and the gap will only widen more and more.

    Its nice that we have higher resolutions, its just we don't need to make such a fuss about it.
     
  8. bobber205 macrumors 68020

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    So what did you play before pcs were in higher res than 800x600. How did you know the difference?
     
  9. FleurDuMal macrumors 68000

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    Well, I think the standard for even low range PC's has been higher than 800x600 for quite a while now. Since I've been playing on PC's (about 8 years now I guess), I don't think I've ever had to play a game in under 800x600.

    But then again, my memory isn't all it could be :p
     
  10. psycoswimmer macrumors 65816

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    I saw that commercial. It's what everyone that's not tech-savvy is really thinking.

    For example: My aunt just got a Sony Bravia 42" 720p LCD. She was going on an on about how great the picture is. And then she put on an analog SD channel and told me if I thought it was really nice looking. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Yvan256 macrumors 601

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    One of the problem is companies giving up decent framerates for the sake of higher resolution... The Xbox 360 was upgraded via firmware to allow 720p (if I remember correctly) but the GPU itself isn't more powerful... What good are high-definition graphics if they run at 15-20 images per second? :rolleyes:
     
  12. Dagless macrumors Core

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    Why this craze?

    Because TV has been stagnant for a long time. And IMO the push has been too soon. Why? I was playing Tony Hawks Project 8 on a 360 before in 1080i, hello stuttering frames. Funny too as these machines should be able to run these big games in super high resolutions without any problems.

    It also seems like America is really pushing HD. Maybe it's because they've been stuck in 480 compared to the 576 of PAL? Who knows. What I do know is nobody in the UK really cares about HD at the moment. Sky have come out with a HD service (better late than never?) which is full of crap. A handful of channels for a stupid amount of money.
    I would like more shows to be filmed with HD cameras though. The colours they get are stunning. But I'm, along with a massive number of people here, perfectly content with a 576i/p image.

    If HD was adapted quietly. No fuss from broadcasters or TV manufactures with no price increase on services or products then brilliant. But it isn't. It's being dragged kicking and screaming full of people who bought too soon, over the top prices etc.
     
  13. WillMak macrumors 6502a

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    lol. I remember when games were played in the 640*480 standard. Then they finnaly started making video cards that could run 800*600 smoothly and WHOA! I thought 800 * 600 was awesome! Then I went up to 1024*768 and WHOA!!!!!!!!!! Then I played Doom 3 at 1600 * 1200 on my friend's alienware and DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anyways, I think 20 years from now we'll be complaining that our games aren't at 3000 resolutions.
     
  14. Dagless macrumors Core

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    Yup. I'm playing Prey at the moment, currently in 1024*768 in 16:10. Now, I could play it in my monitors native resolution but it looks and plays like crap. In my current resolution I can stick on loads of AA, Anisotropic filtering etc.

    Lower res and all the bells and whistles? I'll take that over jittery high resolutions any day. :) sure it's the same with many people too.
     
  15. psycoswimmer macrumors 65816

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    20 years from now, there will be no resolution. :eek: Lol. I think in 20 years virtual reality will have become standard (Nintendo leading the way :D) and developed into something that is really good.
     
  16. bluebomberman macrumors 6502a

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    Hit the nail on the head. You know there's a lot of marketing hype when Jessica Simpson's trying to sell you a technical standard for graphics resolution.

    Personally, I don't see the point of complaining about the excessive marketing. It's American capitalism at work: HDTV's going to sell a lot of expensive flat screen TVs, a lot of next-gen consoles, and maybe even a whole lot of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD movies. We should just be thankful most of us on this thread were born with enough marbles in the noggin' to see through the marketing.
     
  17. wako macrumors 65816

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    The last game I played at a low resolution was Starcraft, because it simply didnt even have a option. Anything before that, there wasnt even a graphics accelerator, so I was pretty much stuck with whatever there was.



    How do I know the difference? Uh... for one you can SEE it, and secondly you can SEE what resolution you set... duh....
     
  18. wako macrumors 65816

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    going HD is by far NOT a fad. It is becoming a STANDARD. A fad is like bell bottoms on a guy, an afro on a white guy, women being plump is considered sexy. A fad is something that will fade away in the future and be forgotten. HD will not. HD is something that wont just dissappear and suddenly we find ourselves playing at 720x480.


    Even many companies are selling HD while consumers dont really understand it, its not like they are selling useless technology, or something they wont come to appreciate.


    I personally dont mind the industry selling off HD like this because it is about time the standard changed. It is about time when ALL channels should be able to come in HD. The more the people buy it, the more I will come to appreciate watching shows on a big screen TV, since there would then be more of a demand for HD.
     
  19. Zwhaler macrumors 603

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    Oh they will. Already out is "UHDV" (Ultra High Definiton Video) which has resolution in the 7 and 8 thousands, and it takes up four terabytes of storage for a 2 hour movie. But hey, just give it a few years.
     
  20. it5five macrumors 65816

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    I don't care about the HD craze either. My SD TV works well enough, I really don't care about playing my consoles in HD since I don't have a "next-gen" console. Even if I did, I still wouldn't care about playing in HD. I have before with some friends and I don't really think it's a big deal. I'll buy an HD TV when my SD TV breaks and if I can find an HD TV at a reasonable price. Odds are it will be years before I even begin to care about HD.
     
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    Sweet you tell me where to order my HD enabled Wii and I'll order it right now! :rolleyes:
     
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    The 360 had an upgrade recently to allow 1080p it has always done 720p as for the 15-20 FPS comment... LMFAO! Yeah right!
     
  23. Chrispy macrumors 68020

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    I'm still content with my SD tv. The only thing that is starting to bother me about it now is not the low resolution but the fact the lower right and lower left of the screen make text kinda blurry in Final Fantasy XII haha. That is a truly beautiful game for being on the PS2 and still blows me away every time I start it up. Eventually I will make the HD plunge but I'm still waiting for prices to come down before I do. I must say, my parents have a really big HD projection tv and watching Colts games on that thing is a joyful experience haha ;)
     
  24. GFLPraxis macrumors 604

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    He's actually right, Nintendo simply hasn't supplied developers with tools to output higher than 480p, so it'd be a big pain for any developer to do with little advantage and it would affect performance so why bother?

    The Blitz Games guys at E3 basically confirmed that nothing in the hardware prevents HD output, it just doesn't have that much RAM or power so Nintendo figured the best decision was just to restrict everything to 480p for performance.

    If the freakin' PS2 can have a game run in 1080i (Gran Turismo 4), so can the Wii.
     
  25. sikkinixx macrumors 68020

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    because HD gaming rocks. Period. Playing a game on a 24" or 27" SDTV is all well and good, but playing Gears of War with my buddy on my 50" 720p tv is freakin awesome. Finally games actually look good on a bigger tv. And a big tv with surround sound gives action games and especially sports games a whole new vibe.

    And besides, its not like this is limited to HD. Look at computers.

    "Get the new Dell XPS32389430 with Intel Core 2 Duo technology with Hyper Threading Centrino Mobile Windows Xp Professional Media Centre Edition Student-Teacher Edition Office Package 2006 Pro!"

    All they do is all new lines and junk to it to confuse the crap out of ignorant consumers. My friends my age (20's)don't even know what Dual Core means, or what a dual-layer DVD is. Most people probably don't. But if buddy at Bestbuy says "but THIS model has [insert trademarked technology]! Makes it much more futureproof for a mere $150 extra" the most people will probably fall for it.
     

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