I think there is an issue that many people might miss. In fact, I did not think about it at first; there is no real marketing value for the G5 JUST YET. If you think about it, there is no real option for the average PC user to go to that can out perform the G4. Sure, the Itanium is around and about but who has seen one? The Itanium is not at a level to be released to "regular" consumers. If people want a machine faster than the Mac for the heaviest of number crunching there is always a machine from companies like SGI to handle their requirement, each company with its specilisation. Basically, if Apple had released the G5 when they released the G4 1GHz they would have been getting ahead of themselves and would have lost potential profit. While we all what the G5 out NOW, Apple is still a business like all others and need to take steps that ensure their long term success and profit not cut their availiable releases down by skipping processer stages. The extra conviencing factor for Apple on not releasing the G5 now, I would imagine, would be the extra time to work out all those bugs. I would GUESS the G5 would be released after Mid-year (is that NY?) BUT if the PC work has not caught up with a consumer 64-bit chip, I would not be suprised if Apple milks the G4 longer. To my knowledge, though, the G4 Apollo was only designed to get to 1GHz which makes milking it for longer in the PowerMacs a more difficult task. Of course, I don't actually KNOW anything, everything is obviously my application of logic and market signs to the situation.