Wii Virtual Console, How long before it's hacked for PS/PS2?

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  1. atszyman macrumors 68020

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    Ok, I've had this thought recently. The Wii VC is basicallly emulation for older game systems with legal ROMs. How long before someone hacks the VC or writes an application for the Wii that allows someone to load PSone games. PS2 might even be a possibility if the code is efficient enough that the emulation doesn't load down the processor too much.

    It's also been said multiple times that Sony is making profits in gaming due to game sales (licensing and first party games). Would Sony be willing to do their own Wii VC engine to allow playing PSone/PS2 games? They could open up a whole new audience for the games (a game sold is a game sold whether it's played on a PC through emulators or on an actual PS2). Since the Wii is about 2x the cost of a PS2 it shouldn't be a threat and much of the Wii consumers won't be in the market for a PS2 since they either have one already or were never considering one but might buy the games if the Wii can play them. All this would do is open up another market for PS games.

    Much like Microsoft doesn't care if windows is run on a Mac or a Dell, a copy of Windows sold is a copy sold, they have no stake in the hardware. I realize that Sony actually has a stake in the HW the games are run on but it's been said many times on this board that their profits on the HW are slim if they profit at all. If they are sucking up a loss on PS2 hardware selling games without the loss should be a bonus. If the profits are slim on the HW then selling more games should only be a benefit especially if the market is one they couldn't tap previously.
     
  2. Dagless macrumors Core

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    Probably a long time off?

    PS1 emulation on the Xbox is patchy, hell even N64 emulation apps contain various sub-emulators which don't always work. Though I think with USB and SD card support the Wii is going to be hacked to smithereens. All that potential with the controller, with wireless internet. Could be something beautiful.
     
  3. ReanimationLP macrumors 68030

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    PSone, probably.

    My XBox with its PSone emulator can play most PSone games at full native speed. Same with Nintendo64. :D

    PS2, dont count on it. PS2 emulation taxes the HELL out of my PC, so I doubt it will ever be fast enough to run on the Wii.
     
  4. Dagless macrumors Core

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    What Xbox have you got?! I tried FF7 and a few others on some PS1 emulator and got terrible text problems and invisible sprites. N64? couldn't get Doom 64, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark or F-Zero X working at all. with any of the 3 emulators. :confused:
     
  5. atszyman thread starter macrumors 68020

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    The Wii already does N64. Admittedly Nintendo does have inside information on this, but it does bode well that a PSone emulator is possible, especially since the Wii should be somewhat more powerful than a straight Xbox. The PS2 would be difficult unless Sony decides to pull a Microsoft and do their own version of Virtual PC, or Virtual PS2 as one could say. I realize it's probably not likely for Sony to do this but there are a couple reasons it could be a profitable move:

    1) It wouldn't be a threat to PS3 sales. A Wii won't be able to play PS3 games, ever, but if you only want PS2 games there's no reason someone would buy a PS3 anyway.
    2) PS2 is roughly half the cost of a Wii, so anyone wanting only PS2 games will still only buy the PS2 and not a Wii.
    3) Most Wii buyers either already have a PS2 or won't ever be getting one. For those that have a PS2, games will be sold making $ for Sony, for those that don't have a PS2, an emulator would open up a market that was previously untapped which could result in major sales.

    I admit it's not likely but it would be cool.
     
  6. zap2 macrumors 604

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    Wii couldn't do it.....1) Wii would be hard pressed to emulate PS2, at least emulate it perfectly. 2) Wii could not save the games. PS2 was on DVDs, 9Gbs...the Wii has 1/2 of a GB. Plus download games. 3) PS3 plays PS2 games, which means it would take something away from PS3.



    What Nintendo should go get is Sega Saturn games!
     
  7. atszyman thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Why would it have to store the games? Why not make a emulator to read PS2 disks so that Sony could sell them to Wii owners?

    The fact that the PS3 can play PS2 games is only a minor selling point. No one would buy a PS3 to play only PS2 games. If all you want is PS2 games the most effective choice is a PS2. People will buy the Wii for Wii games and the PS3 for PS3 games. If the Wii could do PS2 games via a licensed Sony emulator (hell, sell it for $50 and make some profit) it would be game sales to Wii owners who don't have a PS2 already, a market that would remain untapped with no emulator.

    Wii already has Genesis games... I could see the Saturn in it's future.
     
  8. Dagless macrumors Core

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    Saturn would be excellent. I missed out on everything Sega between the Mega Drive and the Dreamcast.
    Heh, I'm really starting to fall in love with the potential of the VC. It seems such a step up from the Live Arcade. Really is the classic machine.
     
  9. greatdevourer macrumors 68000

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    What I'm waiting for is a PS2 emu for 360 - with all those threads, it should finally be able to get some decent framerates :D
     
  10. 2nyRiggz macrumors 603

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    How many good games are there for SS? I really can't remember one but that would be sweet if they could make that transaction.



    Bless
     
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    All I can think of is NiGHTS, I never played it but heard very, very good things about it. The Mario 64 of Sega I heard.
     
  12. bigrell486 macrumors 6502

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    This won't happen.

    Simply because the Wii doesn't have any embedded software to support PS1 Games. Secondly, Wii VC games are in a special format. Thirdly, PS games are ISOs not ROMs therefore it would be different. And lastly, that would be dumb, read up on how the stuff works.
     
  13. GFLPraxis macrumors 604

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    My PC has emulated all the PS1 games I tried in it fine.
     
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    Nintendo kit is locked down tighter than Fort Knox.

    Highly unlikely.
     
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    Into Nights shining nights...

    Funny, I've never played Mario 64, but I own Nights and an N64. Most Saturn games I own are 3rd party.
     
  17. atszyman thread starter macrumors 68020

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    The Wii just like every other console is basically a computer, it runs the opera web browser so it would be possible to write an application that could emulate any consoles that are less powerful than the Wii, which consoles you can emulate all depends on how efficiently you can code the translation from one consoles language to another's and how much delta there is in processor power. It would be an application similar to Virtual PC for PowerPC Macs. Just because processors don't speak the same language does not make it impossible to run software for one processor on another. You just take a performance hit due to the translation. Read up on how stuff works....:D

    I know that PS games come in disk images, because, duh, they come on disks, but if you'd read the thread and my posts the idea would be to use the disk drive in the Wii to load the PS games directly from the legally bought disk which Sony would get the royalties from.

    I realize that there's little chance of Sony doing it despite there being valid reasons to open another market, it won't happen. I'm sure many will try to do the PSone at the very least though since it is 2 generations ago, you should almost have enough overhead on a Wii to handle it.
     
  18. GFLPraxis macrumors 604

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    Have you paid any attention? We're talking about homebrew emulators here.

    My Nintendo DS has no embedded software to support NES and SNES games, yet I can run them on it via my M3 adapter.

    Since we already have GameCube homebrew and the Wii seems to be based off faster versions of the same hardware, the most difficult part about Wii homebrew will be finding out a way to get it to execute the code.
     
  19. ReanimationLP macrumors 68030

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    A normal Xbox? o_O

    The reason Perfect Dark doesnt work is because it maxes out the RAM on the Xbox. Same with Conker. They just finally got Conker to work, but its kinda slow due to it pulling from the HDD.

    While I havent played Final Fantasy VII on it yet, Star Ocean 2, Castlevania : SOTN and some others did work beautifully.
     
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    I wish there was some way for homebrew people like myself to run a wii game... :(
     
  21. GFLPraxis macrumors 604

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    Why would you want to run a Wii game on a PC? Just buy the system. It's cheap.

    There's a difference between homebrew and piracy.

    And come to think about it...Nintendo has thought of perhaps the perfect solution to piracy. There's no way to play Wii games on a PC, and even if you were able to write a driver to use the Wii's bluetooth controllers, there's no way to hook up the sensor bar so most games that use it (even Madden uses the pointer for menu screens) would never play!
     
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    Doesn't Madden use it for other things so....in game?

     
  23. GFLPraxis macrumors 604

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    None of those things you list use the sensor bar. I've played the game, remember?

    The sensor bar *ONLY* determines where on the screen you are pointing. For games that don't use this "pointer" functionality, such as Excite Truck, you don't even have to plug the sensor bar in at all. So theoretically you probably could play Excite Truck if you managed to get the Wiimote to work as a PC controller and wrote a Wii emulator. But basicly nothing else.
     

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