will apple drop prices to counteract the terrible retail season this christmas?

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  1. jefhatfield Retired

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    without getting political or blaming one political party or the other, the us economy has at best had a partial recovery and we are nowhere near being out of the woods in the terrible recession...though both major political parties have done good things for america and the world these past few years...good, i said it ;)

    news reports abound about less than expected sales on the retail sector in the usa

    does anybody here think that apple will lower prices due to economic pressures and announce lower prices on items at mwsf?

    usually, one or more items gets a price break anyway at mwsf just because technology continues to get better and cheaper all the time

    here is what i would like to see:

    emacs starting at $599.00 us dollars
    ibook $999
    iMac way lower, if possible
    powerbook $1499
    power mac $ 1499
    ipod way lower, if possible
    panther $99
    applecare way lower, if possible
    .mac for free
    appleworks $49

    but what i expect would be fewer items than listed above being discounted and none as far as what i have asked for except for maybe the $999 dollar ibook which i am pretty sure will happen in january

    what do you guys think will happen regarding lower prices?
     
  2. dukemeiser macrumors 6502a

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    I guess all I've heard is good news about the economy: Lots of growth, employment levels up, consumers spending a lot of money. Not to mention that iPods are flying off store shelves. Record breaking G5 sales. Record iPod sales.

    I would certainly love it if Apple drops their prices, but I don't see any need for them to do so.
     
  3. Robertk2012 macrumors regular

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    oh yes this terrible recession where GDP is growing at 8%. Its people like you and the hysteria that even causes downturns. Nothing was wrong with the economy except some bloated Nasdaq prices. I cant help it if some dumbass acually though a scok puppet selling pet food was going to make money. So what if people are spending less. Everything is pretty solid and americans have a habit of spending to much anyways
     
  4. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    wow, i didn't know i had that much power ;)

    maybe i can cause a hysteria in the pc world and cause them all to be scared of microsoft and windows and switch over to mac

    maybe you can help me channel my energies to affect the outcomes of some of the remaining nfl games so i can make some money

    i am, i guess, the master of the universe:p
     
  5. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

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    sounds like we are getting spin on the economy? terrible recession? when did this happen?I thought the economy was moving forward. anyways dont expect apple to be selling a $599 computer. I think you will see new models at about the same price points we have now and some major bumps to the powermac to allow for a g5 imac or new product.
     
  6. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    i am god and i command the economy to bring the dow to 11000:eek:
     
  7. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    That's almost enough to make one become a pagan.
     
  8. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    talk about pagan, let's entertain the subject for one second :)

    christmas, as it is practiced in the united states and some other countries, is a pagan holiday

    it really has nothing to do with jesus christ, but more to do with santa claus, christmas trees, and out of control commercialism...during the middle ages, the catholic church needed to be able to compete with the pagan winter soltice festivals and try and introduce the concept of christianity to the masses who were not in the fold of the church

    starting with the apostle paul, who was most responsible for bringing christianity out of the middle east and into europe, the practice of spreading the gospel would be modified in such a way for the region to best understand...it kind of meant while in rome, do as the romans...there are many approaches to winning a person over to christ, but it has to be modified to fit the culture being preached to

    the original idea of celebrating the birth of jesus of nazareth got so mixed up in the celabratory ideas of the winter soltice that the more pagan concepts of the season won out...add to this bible historians actually believe that jesus was born in the spring instead of christmas day

    i have been a devout christian in my beliefs, and add to this i hate the stress of the shopping season and all the hoopola that the season brings, that i am kind of a scrooge during most of december...he he...the only thinkg that makes me happy is when i see a sticker or button which says, "jesus is the reason for the season" and i hope that makes someone stop for just a second in this rush and reflect and realize what it means

    i think a baseball fan at a yankees game with a sign that reads John 3:16 does more to witeness christ's message to the world than the whole of the christmas season because when it comes down to it, the birth of christ was the beginning of a journey which led to the son of god's ministry and ultimate crucifixtion that would lead to the salvation of all people who believed in his mission to save the world of its sins

    i have an equal dislike of the easter season and the easter bunny and the push to sell candy and the bigger focus that and buying flowers has over the real reason for easter, which was the rise of christ who died and came back to life thus proving that he was god in the flesh...as if his miracles during his ministry was not proof enough and his fulfillment of 1500 years of old testament prophecy which looked forward to god coming into this earth as a baby, growing up, and changing the way the world would look at god, love, mercy, and forgiveness forever

    well that's my take...rant over...i mean sermon over ;)

    merry christmas and a happy new year to all
     
  9. gwuMACaddict macrumors 68040

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    i have to agree with some previous posters... they economy is in nowhere near as bad a shape as the media makes it seem... and the prices you mentioned for stuff seems ridiculous to me... not that i wouldn't mind it, but dont get your hopes up
     
  10. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    i am aware that my prices are...uh...hopeful ;)

    when the g4 ibook came out with g4 processor, combo drive, slot loading, and still small form factor at 1099 usd, i was very pleased

    but 999 would be very, very cool

    even a hundred dollar drop in the entry level g5 would be welcome

    this may not happen, but a 199 dollar ipod would rock:D
     
  11. dukemeiser macrumors 6502a

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    Good call. When did the media become an outlet for so much bad news? Even when the economy looks up like it does now, they put a bad spin on it. They can't be neutral about it either, it's always pro evil.
     
  12. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    i see the media as left and right wing (but probably mostly leaning left)...movies, most tv, and most tv news tends to be liberal and criticizes the economy now since it is bush who is president right now...the economy has strong sectors and weak sectors and the hope is the strong sectors will boost up the weak sectors

    ...that and the media tends to favor bad news since that sells more

    talk radio tends to be conservative and many on that end play up the few bright signs in the economy and make it sound like a full recovery

    in reality it is neither, but i think we have experienced a partial recovery and we are still in a recession, but not as bad as, let's say, six months ago...one of the weak sectors of the economy (admitedly the last sector to usually pull out of a long term slump) is the retail sector and it is my hope apple will lower prices some, or a lot to counteract that

    whatever turn the economy eventually takes in the next few months or years, i know that there are enough of us loyal mac users who will keep apple with a guaranteed market, but some years it may be smaller than other years and some years it may be larger
     
  13. kuyu macrumors 6502a

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    While retail sales are down this year, it's important to realize that most reporters know almost nothing about the economy. Many people are shopping on the internet this christmas, and gift card sales are at an all-time high. Because the gov doesn't yet recognize smaller web outfits in its calculation of x-mas spending, in appears a little bleak on the surface.

    Digital toys and technology are huge this year, both posting abnormally high sales as whole sectors. Since apple fits into these catagories, and they sell a ton of stuff on their website, I would think they would be immune to this "spending downturn" (which only really exists on paper).

    Check the markets in about 2-3 months, and see the retail sector meeting quarterly estimates. While some won't, most will, and others will beat their estimates. The doom and gloom reporting has more to do with who sleeps in the whitehouse than actual problems. Don't take it too seriously.
     
  14. Megaquad macrumors 6502a

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    Doesn't US have trade deficit of like half trillion per year?
    That is what is destroying your economy, a country that buys more foreign stuff than it sells will go bankrupt.
    And all this 8% growth rate is probably just temporarily.. people using money they've been saving up.. growth will fall down I'm sure.
    I suggest you buy less Chinese stuff, they are using your money to build more nukes. ;)
     
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    and rockets!:)
     
  16. Robertk2012 macrumors regular

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    I sitll dont see how you can say we are in a recession. A recession is defined by negative growth in GDP. Two consecutive Quarters to be exact. We only had one in this so called recession. Or trade balance is a little on the wrong side but even so we have a growing trade deficit but still huge positive growth in GDP. (Imports are subtracted from GDP.) Also almost 400 billion of imports are capital goods, which help to boost GDP. I know GDP cant be looked at as the answer to everything but it does a pretty good job. China with all its potential and growth couldnt even keep up with the last 8% number. I dont expect that to last, but 4 to 5% wouldnt be surprising to be sustained. Are only bad sectors are unskilled labor and manufacturing. The problem with manufacturing is that we have had such a huge growth in productivity in such a short period of time. It makes it hard to adjust when that happens.
     
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    Santa Claus was invented in New York (well taken from the story about someone who gave presents to poor children at Christmas). He ws then coloured red by Coke Cola.

    Also Jesus was meant to have been born in October, 30(something) BC. People found that the calenders had got all mixed up in the middle ages.

    For me Christmas is the best time of the year, not just because of the gifts, but also because my entire family gets together for it (around 20 of us).
     
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    I have had a Mac since 1995, and I have never known Apple to have a sale. The only things they might do is drop the prices of older Macs if new ones are coming out, or other rebates with Macs when bought at the same time as something else (e.g. iPod).
     
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    Im not sure that the economy is in that great of shape. The company that I work for has "let go" of many workers in order to cut costs. it also seems like Im always hearing of lay offs (sadly my Girlfriends father was one of them)
    Now 5 years ago people were jumping from job to job to get pay raises and now these same people think more then twice before they make a job switch.
     
  21. Robertk2012 macrumors regular

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    Unenployment is 5.9% what is so terrible about that? Look at that in a historical perspective and around the world and then come tell me we have a high unemployment rate.
     
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    That's right, if it wasn't for the media, we wouldn't have lost 2.5 million jobs over the past three years. Damn the media. Damn them all.
     
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    link?
     
  24. jefhatfield thread starter Retired

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    i orginally meant this thread to be in the general discussion but the way i started it made it into a political thread...so shame on me...he he

    i sometimes frequent these political threads which at one time i wanted off this macintosh related site, but it was me who invented it with two other macrumors members back in 2001 out of boredom and it's turned into the battle we have daily on this section and the politicos who are here now don't appreciate me because i am either too conservative in their eyes or too liberal and many mac posters who i used to have a great correspondence with did not appreciate us three bringing in the political talk to a technical computer related site...oh well, such is the life in macrumors ;)

    i never said every single solitary sector of the economy was terrible but i mostly menitioned the area which was not up to par...namely the retail sector and that is where it hurts apple inc (and frankly most of america) the most...now if apple inc built weapons for the army, it might be a different story
     
  25. g5man macrumors newbie

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    The holiday buying season is not over. All the statements regarding the retail season have come from stores such as Walmart and Target. If you read their statements they indicate that the projected increases will come at the lower end of their estimates. So instead of 7% increase from last year they might only reach a 4% increase.

    Now internet sales are up as much as 50% from last year. So we need to wait until mid January and get a better picture of what took place.

    As far as Apple lowering prices, most posters have already answered that possibility and it will not happen. Personally Apple will see a big surge in sales in the fall of 2004 when the 3ghz hits the stores. We may see a bigger jump again when the first true 64 bit OS X comes out in 2005.
     
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