Will Apple support Blu-Ray?

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  1. Tommyg117 macrumors 6502a

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    Does anyone know if there are any plans by Apple to put blu-ray drives in their computers? I know it is still early, but I just read that Sony put them in their new computers. If this (or HDDVD) are the "next gen" of media storage, then I want to hold out on buying a new mac until the battle is over.
     
  2. rockthecasbah macrumors 68020

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    Apple has pledged support for the format officially, but there is no word when and how this will be done. My guess is you won't see it for a while still, there are hardly any set top players yet. As the tech prices go down, Apple will probably include them in the highest scale line and work their way down. Nobody really knows though except Steve ;)
     
  3. Tommyg117 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I can't think of anything much better than a new macbook pro with a blu ray drive, hd screens...mmmm...(drools)
     
  4. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    again.... Apple has not officially endorsed one format over the other yet.

    it will be awhile before we see them in computers though, Sony is only doing it because its their baby.

    give it a year or more and you'll start to see one or the other spreading.
     
  5. kevin.rivers macrumors 6502a

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    Well it doesn't spread on its own. Companies and consumers have to start adopting. So if we all just sit back and wait, I dont suspect we will be seeing a clear winner in the near future.
     
  6. benthewraith macrumors 68040

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    It's bad that there's two competing standards, but I'd rather give money to the people with the HD-DVD standard (Toshiba and I don't remember the other). Sony has sent me through the roof with all the crap they've done. :mad:

    It doesn't help that Sony's putting Blu-Ray in the PS3, though I've talked to many and many agreed they aren't going to buy the PS3 for the reason of $$$.

    As for Sony putting them in their computers.........I hope Toshiba and other said companies do the same. I'm kinda rooting for Sony not to win this.
     
  7. wonga1127 macrumors 6502

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    Sony won't win. They've tried stuff like this before, UMDs, MiniDiscs, etc. They made the UMD movies really bad ones, like 50 First Dates and House of Flying Daggers. They still put the same movies on Blu-Ray, who the heck wants to see 50 First Dates in HD? HD-DVD is cheaper, especially if you already have an XBox 360, and holds a whopping 5GB less.
     
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  9. WildCowboy Administrator/Editor

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    It's not just Sony...the BDA has a lot of heavyweights behind it...

    HD-DVD has Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Microsoft, and Intel behind it.
     
  10. poppe macrumors 68020

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    How come everyone forgets the Sony Beta's. Wasn't that sony that came up with all that?

    Anyways it'd be dumb for any computer to incorporate Blue Ray into their computer at this time because the technology is still catching up and the DVD's are not stellar amazing blow your mind, sharper than your eyes can actually see.

    Sony will push it just like as said above they pushed the UMD. But for Apple to do it would be dumb. Until the technology is more tamed and ready to release its full potential... it'd be adding a huge cost to a computer for a product not ready.

    My 2 cents of course.

    Oh and another thing... Who really will have their Mac Pro added to their TV? - So it wouldn't be great in one of those unless you get the ACD.

    And is it really watching a High Def video on a 20 Inch (if you cant afford the more expensive) or watch an upconverted DVD on your HDTV TV?
     
  11. FullmetalZ26 macrumors regular

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    You'd think Sony would realize by now that designing a "standard" and then asking other companies to pay royalties for it doesn't work for them. UMD's, MiniDiscs, Memory Sticks, and Betamax all come to mind.
     
  12. kevin.rivers macrumors 6502a

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    Blu-ray is not in the same league as these formats. And where did you get the idea of them asking companies to pay royalties on Blu-Ray, I would like to see it.

    These comparisons to past Sony only formats are ridiculous. Sony is not the only one working on Blu-ray, nor the only one pushing it.

    To further support what I am saying let's take a look at this idea.

    How many people are posting asking for Apple to take on UMD, MS, MiniDiscs, or heck even Betamax? None. This alone should wake you up to the fact that Blu-ray is different than Sony's previous attempts. What's more, when was it ever implied other than Betamax, that Sony was going for a standard with these formats?

    Oh yeah, MiniDisc is still huge, as high quality recorders. They are big in Japan as well.
     
  13. benthewraith macrumors 68040

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    True, I don't remember them actually going for actual formats, but there was a motivation behind Sony for creating them all. The MiniDiscs and UMDs were created to be played in Sony compatible devices (such as the PSP). Therefore, Sony attempted to create them as a competing force. If they (the UMDs became popular), would have become a format.

    As for Blu-Ray, I don't think Apple should. I think Apple should stay out until the HDDVD/Blu-Ray thing calms down. As for Sony pushing this format, given Sony intentionally installing it in their laptops and their upcoming PS3, I'd say Sony was trying to force it down our throats rather than give us the decision. :rolleyes:
     
  14. rockthecasbah macrumors 68020

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    cough.

    hack.

    achoo.

    ;) Enjoy
     
  15. FullmetalZ26 macrumors regular

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    The drives: "(Royalties matter here. Sony, Philips and some of the others that contributed intellectual property to the Blu-ray standard stand to earn millions in licensing fees and the same is true for the HD DVD camp.)" (link

    Oh, and here we have one for the discs:
    "No company has more at stake than Sony. Long one of the most innovative companies in electronics, it stumbled badly in recent years. With Blu-ray, it has the opportunity for a triple play. It'll reap royalties from all the disks sold with its technology."(link)
    That may be true, but Sony has put the lion's share of money and research into it. Not to mention they're also preparing to lose upwards of $4-500 per PS3 when that monstrosity comes out just to get Blu-Ray drives out there.

    I would imagine that the fact that UMD's were designed purely for the PSP, that Apple doesn't build card readers into their laptops, that MiniDiscs are old news, and BetaMax is even older might have something to do with the lack of questions as such. Of course no one is going to ask about those, because it'd be like me asking the forum if I could use leaded gasoline in a new Cobalt. And while Sony never made a push for Memory Sticks to be used by other vendors, it has tried to get the movie industry to put their stuff on UMD's, and to subsequently pay Sony to put them on the discs (since no one else can produce UMDs.) And guess what? No one wants to pay $20-30 for a movie picture the size of a large Post-It note, so not only have several companies given up, but retailers are dropping them as well. Oh, and MiniDisc? Sony did manage to convince a few other companies to make MD-based players of varying types -- Toshiba being one of them. Of course, this was 4 or 5 years ago, when people still thought MD might actually be worth spending money on.

    By all rights there, BetaMax must still be huge too, since many news stations use it to record high-quality footage in the field inexpensively. I don't think niche markets can really count as 'huge'.
     
  16. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

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    They've already got authoring drives but it doesn't seem to matter. Reports are already suggesting that HD DVD is on its deathbed. That might not mean much, but considering the pricing it should have some public support. The trouble is that Blu Ray has bigger studio support and regardless of the price of its player, it will make headway.
     
  17. Sped macrumors regular

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    I don't guess any of you remember the little DVD-R / DVD+R spat? If you recall, the first G4 iMac was available with a DVD-R Superdrive that was incompatible with DVD+R media. At the time, it was not clear which of these recordable DVD formats would win out.

    Of course, the HD-DVD and Bluray format war represents much greater stakes for their respective supporters. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Bluray Recordable drive as a BTO for the Intel Power Mac / Mac Pro.

    Regardless which format ultimately wins, either provides a tremendous increase in optical storage independent of its use for HD video.
     
  18. bbrosemer macrumors 6502a

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    Who cares I for one am not going to go buy a HD-DVD player or a Blu-Ray player nor am I going to spend the extra $ on getting a few hundred more pixels I need much better incentives, the price point for a movie for either supposedly is going to be around $30 and to spend that much on any movie would be absurd, now imagine how much a Blu-ray or HD-Dvd season of some show would cost we are talking about well over $100, if I had a HD-DVD burner or Blu-Ray in my comp yeah I would use it but only for my comp these formats are not making it to my TV, the jump from VHS to DVD was one thing but this is just the industry hoping one of these formats wins so that they can make more $$$$.
     
  19. rockthecasbah macrumors 68020

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    But a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD season probably won't even need multiple disks because it can fit much more data per disk. Or it will at least be less. Not every show is in HD, most would not benefit from having a much greater resolution than seen on TV, so they could put more episodes on less disks.
     
  20. fanbrain macrumors 6502

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    Beta is still around and still superior. Go to any TV broadcast or editing house, and they will be using Beta for storage and broadcast.
     
  21. Addo macrumors member

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    From what i've seen, it seems that when Sony bring out a new format which is destined for the domestic market - but fails they manage to adapt it into a professional format. Mini disc never really made much impact in the domestic markets but in the Pro markets it still seems to be the format of choice with many a sound engineer for live event playback and record

    With Betamax, that format never made much mpact either although it didn't quite didn't quite just disappear - Sony developed it into Betacam and it became the format for pro video. Then came Digibeta to take things a step further.

    If Blueray doesn't really make it then maybe Sony will just make it into another Pro format......
     
  22. benthewraith macrumors 68040

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    It all depends on pricing. If HD-DVD makes it to the cheaper side of things faster, than Blu-Ray will fail. If Blu-Ray makes it to the cheaper side of things, then Sony wins.

    I'm thinking about investing money in Toshiba just to see Sony fail.
     
  23. MRU macrumors demi-god

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    Apple will 'support' both.

    Which one it puts in its machines will depend.

    At the moment Blu Ray OEM drives are $1000+ for desktops.

    Apple are not going to be putting them in their machines until that drops to less than $100
     
  24. slooksterPSV macrumors 68030

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    My 2¢ : I agree that Sony will not win. Why? Because Sony is one company; Toshiba, NEC, Microsoft, Intel, etc. are all large name companies with either efficient (or semi-efficient lol) products or are in large scale with the ability to collaborate to effectively put this product(?) out in a standardize way. Standardized way, I'm meaning it'll be cheaper than the competition, more stable, faster, etc. Sony has tried and failed numerous times with their older technologies because they don't have the support to back up those technologies.

    Well that's my 2¢
     
  25. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    I was wondering about that. I remembered seeing a few articles where Apple said that they were supporting Blu Ray.
     

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