Will Blair still be in a job come Friday??

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  1. iGav macrumors G3

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    It could go either way... if he resigns, then Brown will make a solid, if slightly uncharismatic PM... but if this swap over is going to happen, it's going to have to be now, to allow Labour to settle down before the next General Election in '06, because the last thing this country needs is the Thatcher Mk II Party to get back in, cos' we'll all be f**kin' doomed then.... :eek: :p :p

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3420161.stm
     
  2. wdlove macrumors P6

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    Re: Will Blair still be in a job come Friday??

    I greatly admired Lady Margaret Thatcher. A great PM in the shadow of Sir Winston Churchill. I don't totally agree with the politics of Blair, but would hate to see him go. He has been a good friend to Bush and the US.
     
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  4. iGav thread starter macrumors G3

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    of course it was...
     
  5. kettle macrumors 65816

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    I was there and I was better off, I didn't watch the repeats on the Blair Broadcasting Corperation.

    TV Licence = poll tax.
     
  6. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    It was sweeter for whom exactly?
     
  7. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    You have to love how in the U.S I haven't heard a BLESSED WORD about this.

    Geez... its like there is some massive censor around this country.


    I don't even understand the situation... some report is going to discredit him or something?

    ¿huh?
     
  8. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    The great thing about the internet is that the US-centric media cannot censor your access to news from elsewhere. A quick look at the BBC, the Guardian, or innumerable other sites will give you the basics of this story or other news from the UK.

    The report you are referring to is the coming findings of the inquiry into the death of David Kelly, a source of information about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and the possible exaggeration of that threat by the Blair government. It appears that he committed suicide in response to his exposure as the source of that information. Lord Hutton, who leads the inquiry, is set to give his report telling among other things, what the role in exposing Kelly the government (and Blair personally) played. That's it in a condensed fashion.

    On a side note, I wish Gordon Brown all the luck in the world in the coming week.
     
  9. zoetropeuk macrumors regular

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    The report discredit Blair, what a joke. He does a good enough job himself.
    The guy is a spineless weasel who couldn't lie straight in bed if his life depended on it. Tony Blair would have to be the biggest asre licking yes man I've ever know in politics. So sooner he goes the better, although there is no one in British politics at the moment the deserves the job either.

    The really sad thing though is, George Bush actually makes Tony seem rather intelligent.

    It's about time the voting public to really stopped to think about the people that are running our lives. For god sake, how on earth did George Bush become president. I wouldn't hire the guy to run a meat raffle at the local pub let alone run a country.

    The US needs a president that comes is confident, intelligent, and honerable. Not the weak boso character that George portrays, he has a hard enough time stringing a coherent sentence together.
     
  10. kettle macrumors 65816

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    I had a feeling I liked "Ian Duncan Smith" as a person and possibly as a leader, unfortunately he didn't have his tounge in the right number of arses so the "we're not sleazy" tories opted for a bloodless coo. It seems to me that the bloodless bit was because the government would rather have someone in opposition that they can find dirt on, than a generally nice bloke who at worse has employed his own wife in a P.A. type roll and a name that can sound like a disease if you make it an acronym.

    Looks like we'll have Brown if Blair dosen't try to take him out on the way down.

    I'm clean out of good ideas. Even the Raving Loonies are lacking good leadership.:(
     
  11. kiwi_the_iwik macrumors 65816

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    I gotta say - as a kiwi (and therefore, UNBIASED), and someone who has dealt with Mr. Blair on quite a few occasions - I find him a very upstanding and passionate man. He has his beliefs and his motivations.

    Fundamentally, he's a good bloke. When you talk (or listen) to him, he TRULY believes in what he's saying. You can't fault him for that.

    But fundamentally - he's also flawed...

    You're only as good as the information you are given - his role was to sell it to the public. In his view, he was given CORRECT information by people whom he believed to be in a better position to know.

    Mr. Blair is an EXCELLENT ambassador to the United Kingdom. However, he lets the side down on the Home Front. It seems that housing, hospitals, education or employment are not anywhere NEAR as important to him than saving the world from terrorism, or eradicating rogue leaders to reinstall democratic rule.

    He's a righteous man - but relies on his cabinet to fill in the gaps where it really counts - at home. Without a watchful eye on his "underlings", things tend to fall apart rather rapidly - take transport, for example. The railways have been in a sodding mess for as long as I can remember - Alistair Darling can't undo years of neglect by John Prescott, so he just plunders on with the same lacklustre commitment that his predecessor did. Therefore we're left with an antequated rail network that shuts down in cold weather (snow) or Autumn (leaves on the line!).

    And not just to pick on dear old Alistair - there's also the Education debacle - where it's become Government policy (thanks to Education Minister Charles Clarke) to plan to charge university students higher education fees - that may well run up tens of thousands of extra pounds...

    So, the country's in a sorry state. But never mind - thanks to Tones & Co., we've rid the world of an evil dictator, and made it a safer one to bring up our kids in...

    ...if only we can AFFORD to do so.

    :(
     
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    That's the Badger!
     
  13. WinterMute Moderator emeritus

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    We are in a bloody sorry state if Blair, Brown and f*cking Howard are the best we can do, and people getting nostalgic for Thatcher is just another symptom of the political singularity whose event horizon we are currently below...

    I was in the Poll-tax riots in Trafalgar Square, we gave as good as we got, and both sides were to blame, but we are apathetic now... Countryside Alliance? Is that really the best we can do.

    Yes, Blair is passionate and believes what he says, yes, he's an oily little tyke and I don't trust him as far as I could throw him (quite a distance, granted) and yes he'll still be in post after this report, man's a born political survivor.

    The very least you can say of him is that he isn't bent on raping the country for the benefit of the rich like Thatcher did for 15 years...

    Better under Thatcher? Better off dead.
     
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    i saw the (english) beat play in San Franciscso the day thatcher resigned. they brought the house down when they played "Stand Down Margaret".

    it's the most i've participated in british politics
     
  15. Sayhey macrumors 68000

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    I don't know enough about Gordon Brown to say what kind of PM he would make, but if he is the only likely candidate to replace Blair in the Labour Party then, even as a temporary measure, he sounds like an improvement. I know you folks in the UK get too much advice from this side of the "pond," but how is Glenda Jackson doing these days? I know she is on the outs with Blair and his friends over the war, which sounds like a great recommendation for higher office.

    Maybe the Labour Party should stop figuring out how to make students pay more and start figuring out how to keep some of its old Trade Union constituencies within the Party.
     
  16. toontra macrumors 6502

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    WM, aren't you forgetting the anti-war march in February and the anti-Bush march in Nov. The first was the largest protest march ever in the UK. Hardly apathetic. Were you there?
     
  17. WinterMute Moderator emeritus

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    Over-hyped single-issue reactivism...:D :D ;) ;) ;)

    Yes, I was there for the anti-war thing, and I thought it was a sham, the issues had been hijacked... again.

    I personally believe that the war in Iraq was inevitable, and that Blairs only failing was not to wait for better indicators and rather follow Bush in a little too blindly.

    The war isn't an issue, it a convenient stick to beat Blair with.

    As for the anti-bush rally, what a waste of time, I'd rather march against Mugabe or against the rise of the far right in this country.

    Where is the passion now? The Poll-tax and the miners are political legends, they still inspire and enrage. Under Thatcher this country bled, and the working classes bled more than anyone, we'll never see the like of those campaigns again.

    All I saw were people bleating about not being able to go to the lav in Piccadily Circus, if the baton charges had started then, they'd have pissed themselved right smart.:D :D

    We are apathetic now, no staying power at all, if there was, there would be demos against the war EVERY week, not just once. Politics isn't fashion, you can't switch it off like MTV.
     
  18. Pseudonym macrumors regular

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    I think Blair will last the week out, but not the month. With the fees vote and Hutton report he could be dead in the water. I don't think he would a quick dramatic retirement though. More like a timely hand over.

    But I could be wrong, and it would be more exciting if I was.

    I've got to agree with kiwi though. I think fundamentally he is a good man, I'm just not sure a good man can survive surrounded by spin and the Whitehall machine.
     
  19. WinterMute Moderator emeritus

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    Blair wins the vote by a majority of 5:D

    democracy in action ladies and gentlemen.

    There's a leak of the report due out tommorrow as well, in which Blair and the government apparently are exonerated...

    Blair goes on to win next election...

    Tories disappear up their own arses...

    Students get shafted one more time...

    No change there then.
     
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    Sorry to hear about the report. I saw the result of the voting on the BBC's site, but I was hoping you all would be able to get rid of Blair before we were able to unseat Bush. I guess there is still time and I can always hope.
     
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    Re: Re: Will Blair still be in a job come Friday??

    For "good friend" read Bush's "Yes man" in Europe.

    A betrayer of Labour.

    Vote Lib Dem

    :)
     
  22. iGav thread starter macrumors G3

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    Lib Dem.... hahahahahahahahahaha.... we'll be truly doomed if that Ginger Nut gets in.... :p :p :p

    The problem we have here is that we don't have a viable opposition to Labour, The newly regenerated Thatcher Party will totally f**k everyone over except, fat, old white, racist, homophobic bigots who'll continue to get richer, whilst interest rates go through the roof, unemployment goes back into the millions and we have a boom/bust economy every decade.... actually that would be a good thing, because so many people are countless thousands and hundreds of thousands in debt, so I should be able to pick up a cheap Loft in Shoreditch once the repossesions start! heheheh!

    VOTE TORY!! heheh!

    The Lib Dems are a better option granted though, but they never stick to their guns, opinions and policies and they need a charismatic leader as well, cos that Ginger Nut just doesn't cut it! :eek: :p :p
     
  23. toontra macrumors 6502

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    By moving so far to the right, Blair has effectively disenfranchised millions of voters whose natural sympathies are for socialist policies. Those people now have no-one to vote for in the UK.

    That's what happens if you go down the "ends justify the means" route. OK, so Labour are in power after 20 years, but they've had to sell their soul to get there, and there's nothing left of substance worth giving a damn about.

    I voted Labour and I feel betrayed. No top-up fees, well, er, yes actually, top-up fees, and a war which I doubt even Thatcher would have had the audacity to embark on.
     
  24. iGav thread starter macrumors G3

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    but would it have been better for Labour not to make a gesture to those other than it's historic 'socialist' voting base, and let the Conservatives continue into yet another term and really messing things up to the point where it'd take a generation to even begin to fix eveything??

    We certainly need some valid and realistic opposition, as that keeps governments on their toes, but they cannot be extreme in their views and proposals (a'la socialists etc etc) because the majority of people simply will not vote for them, and the effectiveness of it's opposition diminshes.

    That Hutton report was a bit stinging on the BBC though... :p that Gilligan dude.... what a chump... :rolleyes:
     
  25. diamond geezer macrumors regular

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    I've never quite understood the whole "he's a ginge" hangup you poms have.

    I say, VOTE GINGE.

    I voted Lib Dem, despite not even being a Citizen.

    Turns out your electoral people are just as incompetent as every other part of British industry/government.
     

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