Will the Revolution be 4:3 or 16:9 ?

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  1. Poff macrumors 65816

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    I don't think I've seen any clues as to what it'll be. Right now I'm debating wether to get a 640*480 or 852*480 projector, and the Rev has everything to do with that.. hmm...
     
  2. Voidness macrumors 6502a

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    I'm not sure, I don't even think Nintendo said anything about that (Only the fact that it doesn't support HD). But in the Revolution's controller introduction video, it shows a widescreen TV, so I'm guessing it supports 16:9.
     
  3. jdechko macrumors 68040

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    I am sure that the revolution will support bot 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios. The cube has several games that are aware of widescreens, so I would imagine that the Revolution will also include these features. Does the projector have any stretch capabilities to deal with 4:3 ratios? I know that a lot of TV's do.
     
  4. GFLPraxis macrumors 604

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    Both, I think. 480i is generally 640x480, and 480p is generally 852x480.
     
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    seeing as a couple of N64 games and more Cube games had widescreen modes - i can imagine Nintendo going all the way with the Rev and making it true widescreen.
     
  6. jdechko macrumors 68040

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    I don't think so. Nintendo is trying to maximize compatibilty with as many people as possible. For the same reasons that Nintendo isn't making the Revolution HD (beyone 480p) I think that they will contiune to output to both 4:3 and 16:9. However, I would propose the theory that there will be a setting in the system options, that would allow the user to select 4:3 or 16:9, and that the games could be "remixed" to 16:9.
     
  7. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    Nintendo said that Revolution games will not be HD, so it seems unlikely that it would be 16:9
     
  8. GFLPraxis macrumors 604

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    They did say it had 480p, which is 16:9.
     
  9. Abulia macrumors 68000

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    Actually, it's not. The EDTV specifications for 480p don't require 16:9 aspect ratio.

    HDTV is the only standard that requires 16:9.
     
  10. ChrisBrightwell macrumors 68020

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    You can have 16:9 games w/out requiring HD, in case anyone missed that memo. The current generation of hardware is doing it at SD resolutions.

    I'd like to see it as an option in all of the Revolution games. Give a native resolution to any display. Similar to pan+scan on DVDs and DVD players, but designed (and handled by the hardware?) to not impact gameplay in anyway.

    Maybe that's a pipedream, I dunno.
     
  11. Abulia macrumors 68000

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    Please watch the snark. I said that HDTV is the only standard that *requires* 16:9 -- 480p certainly supports 16:9, but it is not required.

    Meaning 16:9 support will be at Nintendo's purview, not because they support 480p.
     
  12. ChrisBrightwell macrumors 68020

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    I wasn't pointing the finger, so I apologize for putting you on the defense. :) It just seems that an HD dependency for 16:9 gaming is a common misconception.
     
  13. Poff thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Hmm.. I didn't know the Cube had 16:9 support. Well, then there shouldn't be a problem since I guess more and more game-smithers will start doing 16:9.
     
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    IMO, it's too early for game devs to force 16:9 on anyone, so they need to be supporting BOTH 4:3 and 16:9. Not nearly everyone who will buy a Revolution, Xbox 360, or PS3 will have a 16:9 display for it.

    It really needs to be a system firmware toggle and have games support either, like the PS2 has.
     
  15. Poff thread starter macrumors 65816

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    4:3 users can just get black stripes above and below the picture, as they do in a lot of movies,.
     
  16. hvfsl macrumors 68000

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    The game just needs to change resolution to support 16:9 and 4:3. It doesn't take that long to add to the game, so I expect all games will support both modes.
     
  17. bokdol macrumors 6502a

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    what do you mean by required? i dont get it.
    how can there be hdtv at 4:3 if hdtv requires widescreen?

    i am new to this hdtv thing and i am intersted in buying. so i am more asking people who knows. i have seen hdtv at 1080i but at 4:3 not 16:9

    damn this is getting confusing.. i just want a nice cheap tv
     
  18. louis_sx macrumors regular

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    That would not bother me, but again, IIRC that's a setting that needs to be set on a DVD player and so it's a setting that would need to be made on teh console, I'd think.

    So while you're implementing things in the firmware, why not just have it re-do the camera so you see a full-screen, non-squished 4:3 images for users that don't seelct it? The difference with movies is that pan-and-scan isn't intelligent enough to pick out the right 4:3 image in the movie, so letterboxes are the smarter way to go. That's not true with a game.
     
  19. Abulia macrumors 68000

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    The confusion stems from the fact that the terms "HD" and "HDTV" get tossed around pretty loosely. 480p is *NOT* HDTV. If you look at the official specs for what qualifies as an HD signal, 16:9 aspect ratio is required, minimum 720p.

    What most people are talking about/selling is "EDTV," or Enhanced Definition TV. EDTV is 480p, either 16:9 or 4:3. Yes, there are 4:3 CRT sets that do 1080i. Strictly-speaking, those are not HD sets.

    What a manufacturer chooses to do or how they implement the standards is up to them.

    Here's a little table that may help.
     
  20. Abulia macrumors 68000

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    Or the original Xbox. You set the aspect ratio in the Dashboard for your TV (as well as if you support 480p, 720p, or 1080i) and the Xbox displays the game according to your preferences, if available.

    Halo2, for example, supported widescreen if your TV did.
     
  21. ChrisBrightwell macrumors 68020

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    Doesn't take that long?

    Are you speaking for experience?
     
  22. jdechko macrumors 68040

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    Exactly, that's what the Revolution ought to do.
     

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