iPod touch Will they update the iPod Touch this year?

[oldmacs]

Sorry mate even that small/mild improvement can't save the device. That's why many of us would like an ipod touch 6.

Regarding the 2.6 hours of battery life that's pretty much the equivalent for your 18 hours on your ipad 2, simple maths.

Oh goodness, I never said that it will save the device. The obviously need an iPod Touch 6, but what I am saying is that doesn't mean they should drop The Touch 5 from support. Those who are content with A5 performance and want to keep their iPod (Understandably if you had bought it today for example) will find small increases quite good.

That battery thing is flawed. The iPad 2 has a much bigger screen, faster clocked Cpu and more intensive graphically apps. Thus the Touch 5 is completely different.

 

[smorrissey]

Oh goodness, I never said that it will save the device. The obviously need an iPod Touch 6, but what I am saying is that doesn't mean they should drop The Touch 5 from support. Those who are content with A5 performance and want to keep their iPod (Understandably if you had bought it today for example) will find small increases quite good.

Oh wait, now i might get it, did you buy an ipod touch 5 recently?... then i can understand why you are worried. It's not your fault mate, Apple is the one to blame for still selling this stuff. They are still charging pretty much the same price when it was released.

I've been told in the States everybody sues everybody, some people should sue Apple for still selling the ipod touch 5, specially at those prices, same for the iphone 4s IMO. That's unethical, they know that and just don't care and nobody stop them from doing it.

Hope IOS9 keeps the ipod touch 5 alive a little longer then =)

 

[ackmondual]

An IpT5 if it was still supported wouldn't be THAT bad. However, it really can't be more than... $100 tops? That puts it on par with an Iph4. I was OK paying $300 for a 32 GB IpT5 back in 2013.

Even if it officially lost support, folks are welcome to continue using the IpT5. However, those who want more out of their device probably wouldn't hang on to it regardless if incremental performance boost was there.

 

[smorrissey]

Ipod touch 5 32Gb current list price: $ 249 bucks
http://store.apple.com/us/buy-ipod/ipod-touch/32gb-space-gray

Original price in 2012 was exactly the same $ 249 bucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Qtp6Iv7a0
(1:36:00)

 

[oldmacs]

Oh wait, now i might get it, did you buy an ipod touch 5 recently?... then i can understand why you are worried. It's not your fault mate, Apple is the one to blame for still selling this stuff. They are still charging pretty much the same price when it was released.

I've been told in the States everybody sues everybody, some people should sue Apple for still selling the ipod touch 5, specially at those prices, same for the iphone 4s IMO. That's unethical, they know that and just don't care and nobody stop them from doing it.

Hope IOS9 keeps the ipod touch 5 alive a little longer then =)

I haven't bought one, but some close family members did :rolls eyes: They didn't listen to me. Also have friends who bought 4S's recently.. again not listening t me.

It is unfair of them to do it, so I feel that Apple should provide adequate support. I also feel that if they have to support the Touch 5, then that could mean another year of support for my iPad 2, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

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An IpT5 if it was still supported wouldn't be THAT bad. However, it really can't be more than... $100 tops? That puts it on par with an Iph4. I was OK paying $300 for a 32 GB IpT5 back in 2013.

Even if it officially lost support, folks are welcome to continue using the IpT5. However, those who want more out of their device probably wouldn't hang on to it regardless if incremental performance boost was there.

Problem is that lack of support = no apps, lost security and being unable to sync with icloud potentially. Plus its very unfair. People buy Apple for the support. I actually think that apple kept the Touch around to force developers into supporting the A5 for longer...

I think Apple kind of knows what they're doing with this. Keeping two devices around so long has to have had some sort of reason, as they could have put the A6 processor in VERY cheaply. iOS 9 is definitely running on the 4S (the same as the Touch 5, so they're at least testing iOS 9 on it).

 

[placidity44]

I personally would be surprised if Apple doesn't release a new iPod touch within the next six months. I certainly think they'll kill off the line eventually but it's a great gateway Apple product because it's affordable, and instead of giving a kid a phone which costs upwards of 600 dollars you can get them an iPod. I can't even begin to speculate what the size of the new iPods would be. I'd be surprised if they made a 5.5 inch iPod.

 

[Ffosse]

I personally would be surprised if Apple doesn't release a new iPod touch within the next six months. I certainly think they'll kill off the line eventually but it's a great gateway Apple product because it's affordable, and instead of giving a kid a phone which costs upwards of 600 dollars you can get them an iPod. I can't even begin to speculate what the size of the new iPods would be. I'd be surprised if they made a 5.5 inch iPod.

Nobody - outside of a few diehards - wants an ipod these days.

 

[oldmacs]

Nobody - outside of a few diehards - wants an ipod these days.

Thats not true. Businesses use iPods, Devs use iPods, teenagers use iPods.

No one wants apple's current range as they can't be bothered updating them.

Even if it made up 1 percent of profits, that is a lot of money.

 

[Plutonius]

Sorry mate even that small/mild improvement can't save the device. That's why many of us would like an ipod touch 6.

Regarding the 2.6 hours of battery life that's pretty much the equivalent for your 18 hours on your ipad 2, simple maths.

Is that simple math assuming both devices draw the same power because my Touch 5 runs a lot longer than 2.6 hours.

Why all the angst ?

- Apple will announce what is supported under IOS 9 during the developer conference. All rumors point to the A5 (512MB) being supported.

- Since there is no way IOS 10 will support the A5, Apple will most likely stop selling all A5 devices this fall.

- Rumors point to a Touch 6 being released this fall.

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Nobody - outside of a few diehards - wants an ipod these days.

I must be a diehard then since I'm going to get the Touch 6 when it comes out this fall .

 

[smorrissey]

Is that simple math assuming both devices draw the same power because my Touch 5 runs a lot longer than 2.6 hours.

Why all the angst ?

- Apple will announce what is supported under IOS 9 during the developer conference. All rumors point to the A5 (512MB) being supported.

- Since there is no way IOS 10 will support the A5, Apple will most likely stop selling all A5 devices this fall.

- Rumors point to a Touch 6 being released this fall.

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I must be a diehard then since I'm going to get the Touch 6 when it comes out this fall .

Rumours point to many things, plenty of rumours pointed last year to a 2014 fall release and nothing happened...

Personally i believe there's still a chance for an ipod touch 6, why? because they are still selling the 5, there's a chance they renew the line this year and of course i would buy a new one and i would enjoy it. Let's wait for next fall.

But definitely i'm not paying for an ipod touch 6 with 1GB RAM.

 

[Plutonius]

Rumours point to many things, plenty of rumours pointed last year to a 2014 fall release and nothing happened...

Personally i believe there's still a chance for an ipod touch 6, why? because they are still selling the 5, there's a chance they renew the line this year and of course i would buy a new one and i would enjoy it. Let's wait for next fall.

But definitely i'm not paying for an ipod touch 6 with 1GB RAM.

I'm hoping for an A8 but whatever we get will most likely come with 1GB RAM.

 

[ackmondual]

Rumours point to many things, plenty of rumours pointed last year to a 2014 fall release and nothing happened...

Personally i believe there's still a chance for an ipod touch 6, why? because they are still selling the 5, there's a chance they renew the line this year and of course i would buy a new one and i would enjoy it. Let's wait for next fall.

But definitely i'm not paying for an ipod touch 6 with 1GB RAM.

Just how serious a problem is it to have only 1 GB of RAM in a IpT6? Will 2 GB be needed, or more comfy to operate ios9? I have heard it's supposed to be optimized, but frankly, I'll believe when I see it. For now, I'm going to assume at worse, it's no better off than ios8 (and hopefully, it won't get worse in that regard).

Also to be more "future proof" with whatever new features the IpT6 has, and when ios10 rolls in? This also doubles up in Safari tabs constantly reloading?


I'd also like 2 GB of system memory, but also want a 4.7" screen, at least an A8 processor, and amongst other things too. It seems like we have to "pick and choose" our battles here.

 

[smorrissey]

Just how serious a problem is it to have only 1 GB of RAM in a IpT6? Will 2 GB be needed, or more comfy to operate ios9? I have heard it's supposed to be optimized, but frankly, I'll believe when I see it. For now, I'm going to assume at worse, it's no better off than ios8 (and hopefully, it won't get worse in that regard).

Also to be more "future proof" with whatever new features the IpT6 has, and when ios10 rolls in? This also doubles up in Safari tabs constantly reloading?


I'd also like 2 GB of system memory, but also want a 4.7" screen, at least an A8 processor, and amongst other things too. It seems like we have to "pick and choose" our battles here.

There's an interesting article on Forbes today:

A Multitasking Powerhouse?

This will be the key aspect to iOS 9. After all it is an open secret that the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus will feature 2GB of RAM and the primary benefit of RAM is faster, more complex multitasking. Something that would be noticeably useful for the iPhone 6/6S Plus.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/21/apple-ios-9-home-new-look/2/

Ipad air 2 is already 2GB.

As you mentioned pretty much is about future proof, buying a device with 1GB by the end of this year its a no no at least for me.

How long is the ipod touch 6 supposedly to last? 3 years minimum? with 1 GB of RAM? no way.

 

[oldmacs]

There's an interesting article on Forbes today:

A Multitasking Powerhouse?

This will be the key aspect to iOS 9. After all it is an open secret that the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus will feature 2GB of RAM and the primary benefit of RAM is faster, more complex multitasking. Something that would be noticeably useful for the iPhone 6/6S Plus.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/21/apple-ios-9-home-new-look/2/

Ipad air 2 is already 2GB.

As you mentioned pretty much is about future proof, buying a device with 1GB by the end of this year its a no no at least for me.

How long is the ipod touch 6 supposedly to last? 3 years minimum? with 1 GB of RAM? no way.

I think iOS 9 will be able to run far better with 1GB of ram than iOS 9 does, as that is one of the worst aspects of iOS 8, it has terrible ram management, that i'd put down to lack of time.

I'd be surprised if the Touch 6 has 2GB of ram sadly. The 4 had 256 MB of ram half of the flagship iPhone at the time (4 with 512 MB) and the 5 had 512 MB, half of the flagship iPhone at the time as well (5 with 1GB).

It depends how long they will keep the Touch 6 around for....

They could surprise us all and upgrade it to A9 straight away. It could share the internals of the iPad Mini 4 (which I assume will be A9).

 

[TRDmanAE86]

I think iOS 9 will be able to run far better with 1GB of ram than iOS 9 does, as that is one of the worst aspects of iOS 8, it has terrible ram management, that i'd put down to lack of time.

I'd be surprised if the Touch 6 has 2GB of ram sadly. The 4 had 256 MB of ram half of the flagship iPhone at the time (4 with 512 MB) and the 5 had 512 MB, half of the flagship iPhone at the time as well (5 with 1GB).

It depends how long they will keep the Touch 6 around for....

They could surprise us all and upgrade it to A9 straight away. It could share the internals of the iPad Mini 4 (which I assume will be A9).

Wow I never realized my iPod Touch 4th Gen had so little Ram! Its embarrassing!


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I agree with you, iOS 8 has horrible power management. Hopefully iOS 9 can take advantage of the power of ram and, distribute it in a effective way

iOS 8 has horrible RAM management.

 

[oldmacs]

Wow I never realized my iPod Touch 4th Gen had so little Ram! Its embarrassing!


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I agree with you, iOS 8 has horrible power management. Hopefully iOS 9 can take advantage of the power of ram and, distribute it in a effective way

iOS 8 has horrible RAM management.

Yeah! While the Touch 4 had the same processor (A4) as the iPhone 4, it had the same amount of ram as the 3GS and iPad 1, which was enough for the 3GS in 2009 (with its lack of retina display), but it was always a bit too little for the Touch 4 and the iPad 1 IMHO.

I played with an iPad Mini 2 with iOS 7 today.. and my goodness it is so much smoother and a nicer experience than iOS 8. I put that down to terrible ram management as the iPad 2 didn't get slow till really iOS 8. There were teething problems with 7.0 but they were fixed in 7.1.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

Yeah! While the Touch 4 had the same processor (A4) as the iPhone 4, it had the same amount of ram as the 3GS and iPad 1, which was enough for the 3GS in 2009 (with its lack of retina display), but it was always a bit too little for the Touch 4 and the iPad 1 IMHO.

I played with an iPad Mini 2 with iOS 7 today.. and my goodness it is so much smoother and a nicer experience than iOS 8. I put that down to terrible ram management as the iPad 2 didn't get slow till really iOS 8. There were teething problems with 7.0 but they were fixed in 7.1.

Yep, Last year, I had a iPad 2. It kept freezing right from the getco till 7.1 (Optimization did not stop the freezing)


I know for a fact that there is a 99% chance the first few updates of iOS 9 will be hard on our devices.

However, when it comes to the iPod Touch 6th Gen, Apple has some explaining to do if it comes at WWDC 2015.

 

[oldmacs]

Yep, Last year, I had a iPad 2. It kept freezing right from the getco till 7.1 (Optimization did not stop the freezing)


I know for a fact that there is a 99% chance the first few updates of iOS 9 will be hard on our devices.

However, when it comes to the iPod Touch 6th Gen, Apple has some explaining to do if it comes at WWDC 2015.

Really?

iOS 7 ran great on my iPad 2, it was a little slow at first with 7.0, but it was really fast with 7.1.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

Really?

iOS 7 ran great on my iPad 2, it was a little slow at first with 7.0, but it was really fast with 7.1.

besides the freezing, it was acceptable in performance. Also, I did a OTA from 6,x to 7,0 update so, that is probably where the freezing originated. Mine was a 16gb too.

However, 7.1 was a miracle. It fixed the freezing and, allowed for optimization of disabling the Paralax and NOT the animations (a 7.x update made reduce motions disable Paralax and animations) Thus, my iPad turned from a turtle into a Rabbit on steroids!

 

[smorrissey]

I'd be surprised if the Touch 6 has 2GB of ram sadly. The 4 had 256 MB of ram half of the flagship iPhone at the time (4 with 512 MB) and the 5 had 512 MB, half of the flagship iPhone at the time as well (5 with 1GB).

Yes, sadly that is true, but i don't know i'm not too sure about an ipod touch 6 release. So far we only have a vague rumour.

Apparently an iphone 6c is coming:

Iphone 5c debuted on 2013, a year after the ipod touch 5, maybe this 6c is the ipt6 equivalent for Apple...

 

[Shirasaki]

Seems that the discussion becomes really hot.

I am not a specialist, or a developer. I am just a customer. Of course from customer side, product with longer support period is better than product with short support period. That means we don't need to upgrade devices at hand too often.

Of course, for example, you can keep using iPad first gen, but you will likely be able to do almost nothing, except some really simple tasks. Technology always evolve much faster than we could expect, or, is this just a short performance?

For me, I also hope apple release next gen iPod touch. When I finally realise that iPhone 6 Plus I bought is about to be the much less powerful iPhone, it is too late. That doesn't mean iPhone 6 Plus is immediately outdated and obsolete, though.

IOS 9 should be available for A5 chip, because iPad mini running iOS 8.4 beta 3 is really laggy. I hope next update could bring some performance improvement.

 

[loon3y]

Seems that the discussion becomes really hot.

I am not a specialist, or a developer. I am just a customer. Of course from customer side, product with longer support period is better than product with short support period. That means we don't need to upgrade devices at hand too often.

Of course, for example, you can keep using iPad first gen, but you will likely be able to do almost nothing, except some really simple tasks. Technology always evolve much faster than we could expect, or, is this just a short performance?

For me, I also hope apple release next gen iPod touch. When I finally realise that iPhone 6 Plus I bought is about to be the much less powerful iPhone, it is too late. That doesn't mean iPhone 6 Plus is immediately outdated and obsolete, though.

IOS 9 should be available for A5 chip, because iPad mini running iOS 8.4 beta 3 is really laggy. I hope next update could bring some performance improvement.

the the thing, companies don't run themselves to keep the consumer happy. companies run themselves to make profit, especially a company thats public.


whats more profitable having to pay a team of developers to optimize an OS for obsolete devices

or forcing the consumers to buy the new model.

Its pretty clear cut and simple.


and its not like apple has been consumer friendly specs wise for iOS devices. Other phones hardware is much more suped up. if it had tech specs as an average android then these phones would last much longer.


its all a marketing tactic. you don't want to give out suped up iPhones with crazy internals because it won't force you to buy a new model.



this is literally business 101 and common sense.

apple having as much cash as they have, they might have a team that is going to optimize and for older devices (surely they will test for the heck of it but actually optimizing it is another thing)


but its going to be a small team, and it damn sure isn't going to be the top developers working on it.

Its simply not worth it nor profitable. you're talking about a public company where investors are demanding and expected to see rise in profits and doing things that are profitable.

 

[Shirasaki]

the the thing, companies don't run themselves to keep the consumer happy. companies run themselves to make profit, especially a company thats public.


whats more profitable having to pay a team of developers to optimize an OS for obsolete devices

or forcing the consumers to buy the new model.

Its pretty clear cut and simple.


and its not like apple has been consumer friendly specs wise for iOS devices. Other phones hardware is much more suped up. if it had tech specs as an average android then these phones would last much longer.


its all a marketing tactic. you don't want to give out suped up iPhones with crazy internals because it won't force you to buy a new model.



this is literally business 101 and common sense.

apple having as much cash as they have, they might have a team that is going to optimize and for older devices (surely they will test for the heck of it but actually optimizing it is another thing)


but its going to be a small team, and it damn sure isn't going to be the top developers working on it.

Its simply not worth it nor profitable. you're talking about a public company where investors are demanding and expected to see rise in profits and doing things that are profitable.

Yes. To be honest, if I am a developer, I will often want to start from scratch rather than sticking to old things and trying to find out if that old stuff could work better.

But as a customer, unless they are crazy at latest, they will keep everything they have as long as they can.

This is a different picture. Your business and his business are different. I can even say, if they really need the trend leading technology to help achieving the goal, it is possible for them to ask for new technology rather than searching the market for it.

But I think you have a thing not so correct. Companies are made for profit. But they DO need to satisfy their customers I order to persuade them purchasing your product. Since now almost every company in the world serve purely humans, this is very important to let people satisfy.

Apple sells product to human, not to animal. So they do need to satisfy people to convince them buying new product. Supporting the old devices is a choice for them to strengthen user base loyalty. I believe that Apple does have great skills to affect customers choice when releasing new products.

Anyway, whether they support or not, I still hope they can support A5 devices.

 

[smorrissey]

whats more profitable having to pay a team of developers to optimize an OS for obsolete devices

or forcing the consumers to buy the new model.

Pretty much the second...

 

[TRDmanAE86]

Yes. To be honest, if I am a developer, I will often want to start from scratch rather than sticking to old things and trying to find out if that old stuff could work better.

But as a customer, unless they are crazy at latest, they will keep everything they have as long as they can.

This is a different picture. Your business and his business are different. I can even say, if they really need the trend leading technology to help achieving the goal, it is possible for them to ask for new technology rather than searching the market for it.

But I think you have a thing not so correct. Companies are made for profit. But they DO need to satisfy their customers I order to persuade them purchasing your product. Since now almost every company in the world serve purely humans, this is very important to let people satisfy.

Apple sells product to human, not to animal. So they do need to satisfy people to convince them buying new product. Supporting the old devices is a choice for them to strengthen user base loyalty. I believe that Apple does have great skills to affect customers choice when releasing new products.

Anyway, whether they support or not, I still hope they can support A5 devices.

Yep I agree with you. The A5 is definetly obsolete these days. I see very few other peoples' 4S's (most have now 5, a 5C, 5S or the 6/6+). Besides by now, most of there batteries are shot (like mine) even though I take good care of it. It's only a matter if time till parts are no longer supported !

I feel at this point, 8.x is the 4S's last update.

From a busesness perspective, killing the 4S is logical.

The 4S is the last iPhone with the 30 prong connector and, the last iPhone with a micro SIM card!

It's probably going to die so, 30 prong connectors become extinct once and for all