Windows 2000 Install: SUCCESS

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  1. Alpha2 macrumors newbie

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    HOWTO install Windows 2000 SP4 on Intel Mac Mini


    I posted following procedure on forum.onmac.net about 3 weeks ago.
    But I got few responses.
    So, I post here again.
    Please post your installation report here.
    We need more reports to refine the installation procedure.

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    This procedure was originally found by a Japanese guy "intelmacmini", and was refined by several posters on BBS.

    This is the compilation of discussion on Japanese "2ch" BBS (http://pc7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/mac/1144255658/) and the blog site of "intelmacmini" (http://intelmacminiw2k.blog64.fc2.com/ ).
    Our experience mainly comes from installation of japanese version Win2K SP4 on Intel Mac Mini CoreSolo . So, english version users and CoreDuo Mac users may have to modify the installation procedure. Try at your own risk.

    1. Background

    If you try to install Windows 2000 sp4 on Intel Mac with the original installation CD, installation hangs at the beginning showing "Inspecting hardware configuration ..".

    This is caused by NTDETECT.COM. If you make a Win2K installation CD in which only NTDETECT.COM file is replaced with the one from Windows XP installation CD, installation continues up to reading of various driver files.

    But again installation hangs because an appropriate HAL.DLL (Hardware Abstraction Layer library) file for installation is not selected automatically. So, you have to assign HAL.DLL file manually by pressing F5 key when the message "Press F6 if you need to install ......." is showing at the bottom of the display.

    2. Before you install Win2K.

    If you have already installed Windows XP and Macintosh Driver CD on your Intel Mac, please backup the device driver files in \Program Files\Macintosh Driver and \Program Files\SigmaTel in a USB Memory or CD-R. These driver files may be also useful for Win2K.

    3. What You'll Need
    (1) An original Windows 2000 PRO SP4 CDROM
    (2) NTDETECT.COM file in i386 directory of Windows XP SP2 installation CD
    (3) A PC with Windows already installed.
    (4) Nero Burning ROM
    (5) A blank CD-R
    (6) Intel Mac with latest firmware update.

    4. Creating the Win2K installation CD
    (1) Copy all the files in the original Windows 2000 PRO SP4 CDROM on to a appropriate directory (e.g.. C:\2K) of hard disk of PC.
    (2) Replace NTDETECT.COM file in i386 directory in copied Windows 2000 files directory with NTDETECT.COM file of Windows XP SP2 installation CD by copy & paste. Press yes to overwrite.
    (3) Burn a bootable CDROM which contains all the files in the original Windows 2000 PRO SP4 CDROM and replaced NTDETECT.COM file with Nero Burning ROM

    5. Installing Win2K
    (1) Make a Windows 2000 partition using Boot Camp Assistant.
    (2) Insert modified Windows 2000 installation CD into Intel Mac and boot with C key pressed.
    (3)CDROM boot starts. Soon, the message "Press F6 if you need to install ......." will appear at the bottom of the display. Immediately press F5 key and hold for several seconds. F5 key, NOT F6. F5 key is for selecting a suitable HAL.DLL file.
    (4) After a while, the message " Setup could not determine ....." will appear. And you will be prompted for selecting PC type. Display is like bellows

    -----------------------------------
    Standard PC
    Standard PC with C-Step i486
    SGI mp
    Other
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    (5) Press upward cursor key several times until cursor comes to "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface(ACPI) PC" and then press Return.
    (6) You can continue installation procedure like a standard PC after this step.

    (7) After installation, Win2K will boot with VGA mode.


    6. Device Driver Information for Windows 2000.

    You cannot use Macintosh Driver CD of Boot Camp on Windows 2000.
    Installation aborts because the program checks installed Windows version.
    Some of the extracted files can be used.

    (1) Intel Chipset Driver
    http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scr...9&strOSs=19&OSFullName=Windows* 2000&lang=eng


    (2) Video Driver

    (2-1) Video Driver for MacMini and MacBook.
    http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scr...4&strOSs=19&OSFullName=Windows* 2000&lang=eng

    (2-2) Video Driver for iMac and MacBook Pro.
    Radeon Omega Drivers 3.8.231 (Catalyst 6.3)
    http://www.omegadrivers.net/ati/win2k_xp.php


    (3) Sound Driver

    Use the backuped setup utility (version 5.10.4889) in SigmaTel in Windows XP. (Program Files -> SigmaTel -> C-Major Audio -> setup.exe)

    (4) Ethernet Driver
    Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
    http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?dId=118&pId=3


    (5) Wireless LAN Driver
    (5-1) Wireless LAN Driver for iMac.
    Update the device driver in Device Manager with the backuped bcmwl5.inf file in Windows XP. (Program Files -> Macintosh Drivers for Windows XP -> bcmwl5 -> bcmwl5.inf)

    In Win2K, you need a utility to access wireless LAN access points.
    Use bellow program. Broadcom Wireless Utility will be installed.

    Broadcom Wireless LAN Driver, version 4.10.47.0
    http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/broadcom/braodcom-wireless-4.10-47.exe


    (5-2) Wireless LAN Driver for MacMini, MacBook and MacBook Pro.

    In Japan, Apple is shipping above Intel Macs with the wireless LAN card which is different from the one for US probably because of a Japanese domestic law. We cannot use wireless LAN on Windows XP nor 2000. We don't have any information for Macs outside Japan. Maybe, try the driver files backuped in Windows XP.
     
  2. echen macrumors newbie

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  3. tapatio100 macrumors newbie

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    Can't finish install

    The setup runs and get's stuck on :

    "SETUP IS STARTING WINDOWS 2000"

    I have tried different ACPI with no luck please help.

    Thank You
     
  4. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    Would you be willing to place your guide (acknowledging the individuals who contributed to it) to guides.macrumors.com? It looks like very nice work.
     
  5. NiKoLaS macrumors newbie

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    Somes compatibilities problems

    Hi there,

    First thanks for this post, myself I tried many times to install before windows 2000 without success but no more now ^^

    But there's somes problems with windows 2000 on a mac:

    - The apple's keyboard isn't well support and cause your mouse to move slowly(like you haven't install the graphic card drivers), the only way to fix it is to use a standard keyboard

    - Problems with the USB 2.0 ports, when I used an extern harddisk or an usb key Windows manage to recognise it one time, after that it's over... :/ if someone know how to resolve it he's welcome.

    For the rest it's ok...I think(but they're still some hardware that aren't recognise but aren't that important for now)
     
  6. crt1 macrumors newbie

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    Tried this on MBP - no dice

    I just burned through a Sunday afternoon trying to get this to work on my new MBP with OS X 10.5. I could not get it to work.

    I got to the point where the Windows installer asks what disk partition you would like to install Win2k on. The boot camp partition shows up but does not say boot camp like it does with an XP install. It says something like "unknown or corrupted" or some such. When I select the boot camp partition and try to format it, the formating fails and says the disk partition is damaged or corrupted.

    I tried several times and even booted back into OS X and deleted and recreated the partition and still no luck.

    I would like to run Win2k because I have a license whereas I do not have a XP license. Any help would be appreciated.
     
  7. tsice19 macrumors 6502a

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    Nice job, but what is the advantage of having 2000 over XP or Vista?
     
  8. crt1 macrumors newbie

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    Why Win2k

    In my case I have a license for win2k from but not XP or Vista. Some might like it because it is not subject to Microsoft's Authentication program . . .

    Also the Win2k install is about 2Gb smaller than XP and probably a lot smaller than Vista. If you only need it for 1-2 win apps its shortcomings are probably a non-issue.

    It doesn't matter for me 'cause I couldn't get it to work anyway. My recommendation is to not waste your time and just drop the $100 on and XP license.
     
  9. tsice19 macrumors 6502a

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    I see. I wonder what's the oldest version someone's ever installed?
     
  10. Anhaedra macrumors newbie

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    What's the advantage of XP or Vista over 2000? Not much, really... Unless you count DX10 :rolleyes:
     
  11. freewareking101 macrumors newbie

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    I also like windows 2000. when it comes to networking/connectivity!
    win 2000 is the best!

    Good that you've managed to install it!
    Cheers
     
  12. typod16 macrumors newbie

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    Windows 2000 Boot Camp: Could Prove Very Useful

    "Bump"
    Due to the scarcity of discussion related to Boot Camp and Windows 2000, I feell it's important to revive this year-old thread. Few of us have had success and many users could potentially benefit.

    I'm growing increasingly angry at Microsoft for their thievery tactics (Activation, WPA, etc...):mad: When I purchase a piece of software, I should be free to use it as I wish. My 2002 OEM copy of WinXP is "locked into" the computer I bought it with. :rolleyes: Being that i am an avid mac user, I only require the Windows platform for CAD modeling. (I also enjoy pursuing any difficult task...:D)

    As many of the other MacRumors members of this post have mentioned, I too am stuck at the point where I must chose the install disk. My Boot Camp partition reads "Unformatted or Damaged". However Interestingly enough, when I reach the same point in the XP CD, the Partition reads C: (Fat32).

    When not following Apple's specifications, Partitioning for BootCamp can be very rocky. Although BootCamp "fools" Windows into thinking the Installation disk is MBR, the disk is really still partitioned GUID. Does windows XP contain added support for GUID partition tables? Patches for displaying partition information correctly? (It makes sense that Windows 2000 says a GUID partition looks damaged, as GPT wasn't supported then).

    I believe that I followed the Japanese installation guide correctly, So far I've slipstreamed the "NTDIRECT" from Windows XP into the 2000 copy. Are there any other files that need to be replaced?

    ***QUESTION:
    THOSE THAT HAVE A WORKING WINDOWS 2K BOOTCAMP: "HOW DID YOU INSTALL ON SAME DISK AS LEOPARD? DID YOUR PARTITION INFO SAY UNFORMATTED OR DAMAGED?***


    Any help on this subject would be appreciated. Hopefully my post was clear. I would love to hear comments and suggestions from anyone. (Please no comments on my expressive use of smilies ;), and let's keep it serious. Even if little interest is expressed now, this thread is a great reference for future users.

    Edit: I'll try to post some screenshots tomorrow of the setup
     
  13. typod16 macrumors newbie

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    Re: Windows 2K Success

    To those that care, I believe I have possibly pinpointed the "Damaged" disk to an issue related to the SATA interface. It sounds like Windows 2000 setup has no issues related to SATA as long as correctly selected in the BIOS settings. Unfortunately an EFI machine means no BIOS settings. Any Support on changing BootCamp BIOS settings?.../Ideas on how Windows will detect the drive SATA. I could however be completely wrong...

    Tyler
     
  14. typod16 macrumors newbie

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    Solution for Win2K Hard Drive Issue

    After one week and probably a dozen blank CD's...Success, When finding no success on the internet I realized i needed to solve this problem myself.

    When setup looks for disk drives, it showed a total disk size of 137,000 MB. Oh yeah, I need to enable LBA 48 (Large Drive Support). I did some more searching on enabling LBA upon setup. The solution to my problem turned out to be the "Unofficial" service pack 5. This unoffical release is supposed to add over 301 hotfixes and among them was the enabling of LBA 48. (Don't Worry, It's clean and virus free)

    If Setup lists Bootcamp partition "Unformatted or Damaged" Follow the steps:
    (On a Windows PC)
    1. Download NLite as instructed
    2. Copy the Windows 2000 CD to hard disk "ex. C:\WIN2K_SP5"
    3. Follow link below to download SP5
    4. Unzip SP5 and slipstream into the NLite Project
    5. After slipstreaming SP5, Don't Burn ISO yet.
    6. Go to your WIN2K_SP5 directory and make sure I386\NTDETECT.COM is from a Windows XP CD, or else setup will freeze. (NTDETECT.COM from XP SP1 is Okay too.)
    7. Burn to bootable ISO or direct to disc by following NLites directions.
    GOOD LUCK, ENJOY WINDOWS 2000
    BTW: The Gforce 9400M drivers are compatible with 2000, I'm running at 1280x800 :D

    [​IMG] SP5 Unofficial
    http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Microsoft-Windows-2000-Unofficial-SP5-Download-28609.html
     
  15. DeLoMan macrumors regular

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    As long as you have the original serial #, you should be able to call into MS and tell them you replaced a motherboard and you need a new activation code. Shouldn't be a problem and you can then lock your copy of XP to bootcamp.
     
  16. franklynb macrumors newbie

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    W2K: mbr booting a Macbook

    There is a lot of information on converting the various Macbooks to MBR boot on the ubuntuforums website. I've been dual-booting a mbr'd Macbook0,2 for a while now with XP and ubuntu <i.e no OSX> .. but for CAD compatibility reasons would like to revert it to W2K.

    So, like TYPOD16, I dived in ... and sucessfully created a W2K boot disk; however, on my macbook <2.0ghz mbpro> I cannot get past the "Setting Up Windows 2000" step, even after choosing any of the f5 HAL options ... I've tried them all. My W2K is SP1, my XP - ntdetect is xpSP2, but not sure that matters.

    I'll try slipstreaming the SP5 and cook another boot disk, and report on that later.

    TYPOD16, which W2K service pack do you use?\

    which CAD?

    I'm STILL using IronCAD 4.2 specifically because I believe its the peak of its product quality/performance/feature set. I can forego some newer feature in lieu of better quality <i.e. fewer corrupted models, fewer crashes, etc> since I'm completely self-supporting, and not afraid of tackling some tougher customizations ... like yourself.

    Anyway, it good to see this thread revived. Bump!

    --frankb
     
  17. typod16 macrumors newbie

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    RE: W2K: mbr booting a Macbook

    franklynb:

    I'm glad that users out there are finally showing interest in this thread. Granted Windows 2000 is outdated in many aspects, lacking the snazzy new GUI, but it still provides the stability and functionality. Windows 7 is recieving more credit than it deserves :). (I just installed Office 2000 and it makes me feel so productive. Is it just me, or does Office 2008 feel unbearably slow?

    MBR and GUID are very confusing topics (Just switch to GUID Microsoft :rolleyes:, it allows drives bigger than 2TB). Bootcamp handles the partition map very well, mirroring the GUID as an MBR and Windows is none the wiser.

    About the service pack, I chose to use the newest available because of increased hardware support. SP4 is official, but I used SP5 because I needed Large Disk Support (250 GB Hard Drive). Windows 2K SP4 or SP5 have all the same drivers as Windows XP because they were released in 2002 and 2003.

    Autodesk Inventor is my preferred CAD modeling software. Inventor Professional 2008 is the newest version for Windows 2K, and it's free to students. http://students4.autodesk.com/?lbon=1

    After I installed Windows, I downloaded all security updates (71 total, I think). I have all drivers installed except for the trackpad; But a mouse is a necessity when modeling with CAD. I was able to pull most drivers from the MacBook install DVD. The compiled setup file will not run, so you have to navigate to “E:\Boot Camp\Drivers\” The display driver is the “ATIXPSetup.exe” The sound driver is the “CirrusAudioXP.exe” And the BroadcomXPInstaller.exe provided the driver for Wireless internet (you still need to download a wireless utility to pick up signals; I use the Broadcom Wireless utility “http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericSoftwareDownloadIndex?lc=en&cc=us&softwareitem=ob-26980-1")

    I have a Unibody MacBook Pro, so these drivers may not prove useful for everyone. If I can remember correctly, the older Macbook Pros didn’t use the Broadcom wireless driver (Atheros maybe??). This is a process of trial and error, don’t give up on the drivers.

    BTW: I would caution against formatting MBR, OS X doesn't understand MBR and booting into OS X will require a boot disk, or Bootloader. Keep me posted franklynb. I would give nLite a try when slipstreaming SP4 or SP5, I cannot believe it's a freeware, a tremendous program.

    Tyler
     
  18. franklynb macrumors newbie

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    Tyler,

    I don't run Mac OSX. At all. The "cashmere noose" annoys me, and I'm content to execute shell commands --- hence some flavor of linux. And I've years of experience on macs <back to wallsteet & yellow dog, before the millenium, so to speak> running bootloaders <grub now, yaboot then>.

    The bootloaders, and the ability to boot a "live CD" ... have saved my butt more times than I care to remember. MBR records DO get scrambled on machines that spend most of their lives in bags, rather than on foundations, desks, or shelves. scrambled way more often, my experience has been. I've been running CAD on a laptop since 1992?
    MiniCAD on a PB180 ....

    You might want to grab the "applemou" utility for emulating a 3 button mouse with a trackpad. freebie, well done. I no longer pack my Wacom.

    Anyway, I'm STILL stuck on what appears to be a driver mismatch. I slipstreamed the INTEL driver set into my w2k/xpsp2 blend ... using the XP tools as spec'd on
    http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/view/web/7/

    .. but its not apparent from the driver loading stage that w2k is acutally finding the intel drivers using this method.

    No apparent intel driver data is listed in the driver sequence; the F6 key flat out doesn't work, which is weird as the F5 key does interrupt the boot sequence and pop a menu
    of HAL layer choices; and I'd sorta expect custom drivers to load FIRST before w2k starts gobbling up the miscellaneous and unused SCSI, parallel and other hardware items it loads at boot.

    So, Macbook-Pro 2,1 is still going into coma mode while "Setup is starting Windows 2000" ...

    So, no need --- that I can see -- for"GUID" <or rather GPT/EFI, which is more correct, I think, on a Mac>. XP loads just fine on an MBR, and I've re-installed XP, remedying its propensity to occasionally lose/eat its own MBR records ... a few times now.

    IF I could get to the disk formatting routines JUSTt the other side of "starting 2000"... I might be convinced that there is some peculiarity of w2k <vs. XP, which already runs on MBR quite nicely, thank you> that is crashing the boot while looking for disks. That would be a MS oddity indeed, as they're generally not that adventurous.

    I booted my w2k/xp disk in a compaq P4 laptop, without problems; so i'm pretty sure it isn't a CD problem. The P4 arrived dallied in "starting w2k" mode for 10 seconds or thereabouts. Curiously, the P4 DOES do a video blank during that time, so it could be that the 2,1 system "loses" the video connection at driver reset, and goes about its merry way ... which looks like a coma-crash to me, the user!

    w2k vs. XP: "Same base product, different interface widgets, a few updated drivers, a ration of new bugs"...

    A side note: I did have to unload XP SP3 as a couple of my programs withered into the "no menubar" display mode that Explorer <and others> now take as some kind of advantage. I guess if I watched TV on a laptop this might be a useful feature. On a cad system, it sucks. Beware.
     

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