Windows XP SP2 new Firewall "Not Very Secure afterall"

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  1. JeDiBoYTJ macrumors 6502a

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    from slashdot.com and Flexbeta.com

    I figured some Mac users would get a kick out of this. I love how Microsoft still cant get the firewall/security thing right, while apple did it right a while ago! :p
     
  2. macsrus macrumors 6502

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    Actually Apples Firewall is based on ipfw.... Which noone who had any sense would use either... It is a buggy implementation that has been dropped from most unix/linux except for open bsd distributions due to its numerous weaknesses.

    Just for fun enable it then run a port scanner against your MAC...
    You will be suprised by the ports left open

    GIVEN A CHOICE.... I would prefer IPTABLES to ipfw

    THAT being said I do agree anything would still be better than Microsoft Xtra Patches POS security
     
  3. stevehaslip macrumors 6502a

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    I did a port checker a while back and i got a green report, there were only a few ports open and apparently they were ok. I am safe according to it. I can't remember where I checked it but i remember my mac had far fewer ports open than my pc! according to the tester my XP machine was wide open!
     
  4. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    Hey now, ipfw isn't bad at all..

    What IS bad is Apple's GUI control for it. It's completely worthless. Completely.
     
  5. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    What IS bad is that MS has an enormous budget and can only manage to make half (if that) of their products worth using
     
  6. stoid macrumors 601

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    I can't wait for SP2 to get smashed by the next virus. And then Microsoft says, "Don't worry, we'll fix it!" And all the lemmings, errr people, say "Ok, sounds good." And continue to take it up the...
     
  7. macsrus macrumors 6502

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    How True...

    The real problem with Windows is I.E.
    When MICROSOFT.... decided in their infinite wisdom to intergrate I.E. into their O.S. they made a terrible mistake....

    It was and is an terribly hole ridden sucurity nightmare...And since it cant be removed from the OS Windows security will always suffer
     
  8. macsrus macrumors 6502

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    You will get no argument from me on Apples worthless gui tools for ipfw, nfs, web services, dns, etc.....
    They are all terrible at best....

    But then again... I never configure those types of items from a gui tool anyway...
     
  9. macsrus macrumors 6502

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    Na dont blame the Windows lemmings... er users...
    They live in the monopoly world of Microsoft.....
    And until vertical market business apps start showing up in sufficent numbers on the MAC and or Linux.... We will all be stuck with Windows...
     
  10. yellow Moderator emeritus

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    Nor do I, but using the CLI or reading man pages can be daunting to someone who knows nothing about UNIX or using command line apps. Certainly the GUI control for ipfw is there for them, but it's so mind bogglingly worthless. It's such an afterthought. I couldn't believe they didn't fix it in Panther.
     
  11. crazzyeddie macrumors 68030

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    If you take a look at OS X Server, Apple does have good GUIs for those. In OS X, there are many third party apps that provide you with "advanced" GUI control for them as well. Apple just figures (correctly) that a normal user has no idea what nfs or dns is.
     
  12. macsrus macrumors 6502

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    I disagree... I have extensively used OSX server...
    And as a matter of fact I work on the largest OSX server installation in the world... And the server tools for those utilities are not very good...

    Now I do think server monitor is usefull. and Server admin to a lesser degree ... but opinions are opinions... I have mine you have yours
     
  13. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus

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    And where is "the largest OS X Server installation in the world"? I've never heard any site make that claim - no big universities, no big businesses, no-one.

    Are you comparing Apple's GUI server admin tools to other OS-bundled apps, such as Windows' or something else?
     
  14. elmerfudd macrumors newbie

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    if you're referring to openBSD, their new firewall has been designed from scratch and seems to be a nifty tool...

    controlling pf from the cli

    pf's man page
     

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