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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by bourbonbreath, Oct 2, 2004.

  1. bourbonbreath macrumors newbie

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    Who needs enemies?

    http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/29325.htm

    Anyone still wondering why the French aren't helping?
    The terrorists are their allies!!

    And Kerry want's to involve them in our policy making!
    It would be funny if it wasn't costing US lives.
     
  2. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Except that there's absolutely zero evidence that Jean-Pierre Raffarin actually said this. The entire story is based on an unsourced attribution in an opinion piece written for the NY Post. The fact that it was instantly picked up by every right wing blogger in the nation (all referring back to the same Post op-ed) does not make it true -- at least not in the world I inhabit.
     
  3. bourbonbreath thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Can't trust dem right winger bloggers.
    They got Dan Rather with his pants down after all! :D
     
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    well if 'le figaro' really got that as answer wouldn't they put it up their homepage ?
    well perhaps my french is too rusty to see the big headlines ;)
     
  6. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    Source please.

    I thought you had enough reasons to hate the French without inventing more. Wait, what are the reasons...

    Just another of bigoted and racist load of crap. Please don't post this kind of hatred again.
     
  7. solvs macrumors 603

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    And France is a predominantly conservative nation, contrary to popular belief. Of course, republicans here aren't real conservatives. If they were, I'd be voting for them (much like Bill Maher). Remember, we lost a lot of French and German people in those Twin Towers on 9/11 too. Something Freedom Fry/Toast lovers seem to forget that. Gee, I wonder why the rest of the world hates us.

    BTW, Kerry said that he wanted to work with the rest of the world instead of spitting in their faces, not do whatever they told us to. If you actually listened to Kerry, you would know that. Not just listen to what Bush says Kerry said.

    Edit: Ha! You linked to the NY Post as your source? Well, that's so credible we have to believe you now. :rolleyes:
     
  8. bourbonbreath thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I guess we will have to put to the "global test". :rolleyes:
     
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    I know people keep forgetting, but there are other countries in the world besides the US. We have to live in this world with them. Taking input and working with them toward common goals is better than saying "you're with us, or you're against us". You know the same thing the administration is doing to it's own people. It doesn't mean we have to do whatever France says, but when they call you arogant and Germany calls you war-like, you should probably re-think your strategy.

    Yeah, I know, what strategy?
     
  10. bourbonbreath thread starter macrumors newbie

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    What people also seem to forget is that France, Germany, and Russia had overt financial self interests in maintaining the status quo with Saddam.
    The US led coalition liberated Iraq from in accordance with international law and UN resolutions.
    Action was required and action was taken. Mistakes were made and mistakes are being corrected.
    The plan to facilitate Iraqi self government and to establish a stable middle east democratic state is a righteous one, abeit ambitious.
    Playing politics while our men and women and those of our allies are in harms way seems less than noble. Zell Miller nailed it with his comments about Wendell Wilkie.
    Our enemies see this as one of our weaknesses and are seeking to exploit it.
    They are our enemies and they are indiscriminate in their desire to annihilate the western world.
    They gladly take airliners full of people and fly them into skyscrapers. Gladly!

    And it is the US that gets accused of being warlike??


    Our enemies ideology will allow a female kindergarden teacher to strap high explosives to her body and go out and blow up a bus full of people going to work, in the name of Allah! Is that not a perversion their own faith?

    All this while our soldiers are trying to extricate terrorists hiding in mosques without turning the shrines to rubble.

    All this while our soldiers are being shot at and killed while trying to rebuild their country.

    But it is George W Bush who is the warmonger!!



    Lets see how does that "global test" go....?
     
  11. skunk macrumors G4

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    Not according to the head of the organization in whose name, allegedly, the action was undertaken. Iraq has not been liberated. It has been occupied.

    Action was chosen, not required. "Mistakes" are still being made, and nobody is taking responsibility for them. It's about time some of these armchair warriors fell on their swords.

    WTF are you talking about? Iraq WAS self-governing before your friends interfered. All you've done is destabilize the whole area.

    Here we go again. "If you question this barbaric and illegal war, you're a traitor."

    You got it! "They" killed 3,000 people by destroying symbols of US power, and "your lot" have killed 20,000 or more in retaliation, for just being there.

    Yes. So were the Crusades, the Inquisition, slavery and genocide perversions of the Christian faith. Should any Christian therefore now be fair game?

    Your soldiers are not trying to rebuild anything. They are trying to keep the lid on a civil war their presence and their leaders' stupidity have unleashed. They are trying to prop up and legitimize a puppet government which has no legitimacy whatever.

    Well, YOU obviously don't know. It's quite clear that achieving a meaningful consensus before lurching into another adventure would be a good idea. Are you worried that other countries might not see it your way? Perhaps if they don't, it's a good indication that it's a crap idea.
     
  12. bourbonbreath thread starter macrumors newbie

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    The so called Iraqi government was a vicious brutal warmongering dictatorship. Do either the ten year Iran/Iraq war or the invasion of Kuwait ring any bells? How a case can be made supporting the administration of a known exporter of terrorism defies all imagination!

    The so called international law which Kofi Aman accuses the US of breaking was the French version and not universally approved. But the UN political posturing and ineffectiveness is a good subject for a whole other debate
     
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    you're really condescending. which is especially irritating because you are in no position to be that way. why can't you treat people here with respect?
     
  14. skunk macrumors G4

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    The so-called US government has done more than its fair share of vicious, brutal war-mongering.

    Which Iran/Iraq war? The one Saddam fought as US proxy? That one?

    How a known supporter of terrorism can be selected as the US Ambassador to Iraq defies imagination, too. Which "known exporter of terrorism" were you referring to? Pakistan, Israel, Saudi Arabia? I'm confused.

    Oh, so it's all down to the translation, is it? Who didn't approve it?
     

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