With pot and porn outstripping corn...

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  1. garzy macrumors regular

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  2. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    Go Pot and Porn!

    woo!

    10% market share and rising baby! ;)
     
  3. rainman::|:| macrumors 603

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    Well, gee, that whole war on drugs is just going splendidly, isn't it? why don't they frigging legalize it already. And i have to take issue with part of it-- i live in Iowa, right in the alleged "marijuana belt", and we do NOT have farmers cultivating it here. we have occasional farmers that look the other way if you grow some on a distant part of their land or in an abandoned barn (if you give them a cut), but it's not an industry here. Meth is, definitely. Meth gets more and more users every day around here, but almost ALL of the money spent on the 'war on drugs' is going to incarcerate nonviolent marijuana users. Christ. We can't even find room to build prisons anymore, but pot smokers keep getting busted by the truckload. Three strikes and all that :(

    Don't really care about porn tho, it's always been an integral part of society, the victorians were notorious for it. It's just more accessible through different means, so there's a boom. I suppose it's getting a tad out of hand from a certain perspective, but i don't think it's much to worry about...

    pnw
     
  4. RandomDeadHead macrumors 6502

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    It is fairly obvious what I'm going to say, so I wont say it:D
     
  5. 3rdpath macrumors 68000

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    pot and porn: breakfast of champions

    is this a great country or what!!!!!!
     
  6. teabgs macrumors 68030

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    whats wrong with pot and porn?

    the amount of money the government gets from taxes generated by porn is HUGE. We'd be minus a lot of bombs if it weren't for porn...

    Also, if marijuana is worth $25 billion/year think of the taxes on it...but you gotta lealize to tax....

    Also, you wont have the public spending money to lock up "marijuana offenders" which is ridiculous anyway. In addition, you could have restrictions on it, similar to cigarettes, so it'd be harder for kids to get it, cause drug dealers wouldnt really be needed. Except for harder drugs....and it'd be a bigger benefit to society to go after hardcore drugs which is what will cause crime, and not marijuana. Look at Amsterdam....they're fine, AND they have had marijuana, hash, and mushrooms legal for years.

    Also, a lot of struggling farmers could make a profit... it could only strengthen the economy and lower crime...
     
  7. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    It's not legal in Amsterdam; the law's just not enforced.

    This stufff would grow like the Dickens in the US -- not just the drug, but hemp. You can make about anything outta hemp fibre and hempseed.
     
  8. teabgs macrumors 68030

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    Actually it is....It's legal to grow up to 4 plants per household. It's also legal to have up to 4 oz I believe. The mass growing and all IS illegal. But in small amounts it IS legal.

    IF you were to goto a coffeeshop there and buy an ounce that is legal. When the shop buys 5 kilos...that is illegal.
     
  9. alset macrumors 65816

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    I used to live in KS, and I agree that meth has a stronger hold on the midwest. I attribute it to lack of entertainment for young people. I stopped doing drugs (for the most part) when I moved to a part of the country that has a night life. BTW - I'm took fun drugs, not speed drugs! Meth users suck!

    Dan
     
  10. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    Are you sure? I was pretty sure that it was merely decriminalised; a cop could still fine you for having too much or smoking in public, but they don't have hard laws and they're usually not enforced. One of the members here is from the Netherlands; maybe he'll chime in.
     
  11. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    I think the article implied that the "marijuana belt" was between the Midwest and the Appalachians. Anyway, most of the pot farming is done in states like Kentucky, Alabama and Mississippi.
     
  12. teabgs macrumors 68030

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    It's a recent thing. I think they changed it from decriminalized to legal around 1998 or so...

    Though the large scale is still illegal, but just not enforced
     
  13. evoluzione macrumors 68010

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    sweet, looks like i'll be buying that tomorrow, fast food nation was awesome.

    and i can fully believe it's as high as 10%. you only have to look around NYC to realise it. Only this weekend I went to the bathroon in a bar and there was a line in there for someone (not me).
     
  14. herr_neumann macrumors 6502

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    Re: With pot and porn outstripping corn...

    Just ordered it off of amazon (well that and a caphalon griddle, caphalon clearance is going on). I loved fast food nation, so I have some expectations for this one.
     
  15. evoluzione macrumors 68010

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    bought it yesterday, and already there are some incredible pieces in it. for instance, in the state of Virginia, it was at one time the law to have to grow marijuana...how things change. i'll post some quotes a bit later on if anyone wants...
     
  16. teabgs macrumors 68030

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    yes please
     
  17. MrMacMan macrumors 604

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    2ed. :eek:

    Its just amasing how the mid-states are into this, you never would of known...
     
  18. evoluzione macrumors 68010

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    ok, here's a few snippets, more to come...

    "Marijuana is currently classified as a Schedule I controlled sunstance, implying that it has a high potential for abuse, no officially accepted medical uses, and no safe level of use under medical supervision. Heroin, LSD and peyote are other Schedule I drugs; cocaine and phencyclidine (PCP) are listed in Schedule II, allowing doctors to prescribe them. Under federal law, it is illegal to possess any amount of pot anywhere in the United States. Penalties fora first marijuana offense range from probation to the death penalty. Moreover, it is illegal to use the US Postal Service or any other interstate shippers for the advertisement, import, or export of such marijuana paraphenalia as roach clips, water pipes, and, in some instances, cigarette papers - a crime which can lead to imprisonment and fines of up to $100,000.

    Under civil forfeiture statutes, real estate, vehicles, cash, securities, jewelry and any other property connected to a marijuana offense are subject to immediate seizure. The federal government need not prove the property was bought with the proceeds of illegal drug sales, only that it was involved in the commission of a crime - that marijuana was grown on certain land or transported in a particular vehicle. A yacht can be seized if there is a single joint discovered on it. A house can be seized if there is a single marijuana plant is found growing there. Property may be seized and forfeited even after a defendant is found innocent of the offense, since the strict burden of proof that applies to people - "beyond a reasonabe doubt" - does not apply in accusations against inanimate objects. Property can be forfeited without it's owner ever being charged with a crime. On top of fines, incarceration, and forfeiture, a convicted marijuana offender may face the revocation or denial of more than 460 federal benefits, including student loans, small-business loans, profesional licenses, and farm subsidiaries. Americans convicted of a marijuana felony, even if they are disabled, may no longer receive federal welfare payments, or food stamps. Convicted murderers, rapists and child molesters, however, remain eligible for such benefits.
    State Marijuana laws were toughened during the 1980s and now vary enormously. Some states classify marijuana with drugs like cocaine and mescaline, while others give it a separate legal catagory. In NY State possessing slightly less than an ounce of marijuana brings a $100 fine. In Louisiana possessing the same amount of pot could lead to a prison sentence of twenty years. In Montana selling a pound of marijuana, first offense, could lead to a life sentence, whereas in New Mexico selling 10,000 pounds of marijuana, first offense, could be punished by a prison term of no more than three years."


    "In Kentucky products made of hemp fibres, such as paper and clothing, are not only illegal but technically carry the same penalties associated with an equivalent weight of marijuana."


    "The first American law concerning marijuana, passed by the Virginia assembly in 1619, required every household to grow it."


    "Police officers in Texas [in 1910] claimed that marijuana incited violent crimes, aroused a "lust for blood", and gave it's users "super-human strength".


    Oklahoma, June 11, 1992. "Larry jackson, a small-time crook with a lengthy record of non-violent offenses, was arrested at a friend's Tulsa apartment. On the floor near Jackson's right foot a police officer noticed a miniscule amount of marijuna - 0.16 of a gram, which is 0.005644 of an ounce. Jackson was charged with felony possession of marijuana, convicted, and given a life sentence."



    and I'm only about 40 pages in. astonishing stuff.
     
  19. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3

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    i'm one of those people who thinks it's stupid to smoke pot (or drink or smoke, etc)... but yet i have come to decide that legalizing pot would be a good thing.

    looking forward to checking out the book.
     
  20. teabgs macrumors 68030

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    yeah.....I'm one of those too.... :D : D

    You see that FBI :cool:
     
  21. pseudobrit macrumors 68040

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    I'm watching an HBO special of America Undercover: "Crank: Made in America" about methamphetamine use in.......
    NYC? SF? Miami? Amsterdam? Nope --

    Iowa.

    I can't help but feel that if these kids (and an alarming number of adults; one kid just did a line while his mom held the mirror) could go to the corner store and buy a pack of joints, they'd be in a hell of a lot less trouble.
     

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